by Michael Boldin
On Friday, July 10th, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin signed House Joint Resolution 27 (HJR27), sponsored by State Rep. Mike Kelly. The resolution “claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.”
The House passed the resolution by a vote of 37-0 (3 not voting) and the Senate passed it by a vote of 40-0.
Six other states have had both houses of their legislature pass similar resolutions - Tennessee, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma and Louisiana - Alaska joins Tennessee as the second to have such a resolution signed by the Governor.
A GROWING MOVEMENT
Passage of this resolution appears to be part of what is now a growing state-level resistance to the federal government on various levels. Similar 10th Amendment resolutions have been introduced in 37 states around the country, and various states are considering single-issue legislation in direct contravention to federal laws.
Most recently, the Arizona Legislature passed a measure for public approval on the 2010 state ballot that would give Arizona voters the opportunity to nullify, or opt out, of any potential national health care legislation.
Since 2007, more than two dozen states have passed legislation refusing to implement the Real ID act of 2005. In response, the federal government has recently announced that they want to “repeal and replace” the law due to a rebellion by states.
Pending legislation in states around the country also includes preventing state law enforcement officials from enforcing federal laws, refusing federal gun regulations, refusing to send a state’s national guard to any duty other than what the constitution authorizes, legalizing marijuana for various purposes and more.
A FIRST STEP
While HJR27 is strongly-word in support of the principles of limited, constitutional government that the 10th Amendment represents, it is a Joint Resolution and does not carry with it the force of law. But supporters say that this is an important first step to get their message out not only to grassroots supporters, but to the media, and legislators in other states as well.
Read the final version of the resolution below:
Relating to the Sovereign Powers of the State
BE IT RESOLVED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF ALASKA:
WHEREAS the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”; and
WHEREAS the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and
WHEREAS some federal actions weaken states’ rights protected by the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
WHEREAS the Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and
WHEREAS art. IV, sec. 4, Constitution of the United States, reads, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,” and the Ninth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads, “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”; and
WHEREAS the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S.Ct. 2408 (1992), that the United States Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
WHEREAS all states, including Alaska, find themselves regularly facing proposals from the United States Congress that weaken states’ rights protected by the Tenth Amendment;
BE IT RESOLVED that the Alaska State Legislature hereby claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; and be it
FURTHER RESOLVED that this resolution serves as Notice and Demand to the federal government to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
COPIES of this resolution shall be sent to the Honorable Barack Obama, President of the United States; the Honorable Joseph R. Biden, Jr., Vice-President of the United States and President of the U.S. Senate; the Honorable Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives; the Honorable Lisa Murkowski and the Honorable Mark Begich, U.S. Senators, and the Honorable Don Young, U.S. Representative, members of the Alaska delegation in Congress; all other members of the 111th United States Congress; the presiding officers of the legislatures of each of the other 49 states; and the governors of each of the other 49 states.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:31 am
It’s certainly a good note to step down on!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Excellent! This is another reason to support Sarah Palin, and is one more log on the fire of state independence of the federal government.
2009 may not be a bad year after all.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Though I’ve never been a fan of Sarah Palin, this is a move that I can certainly stand behind. I particularly like that this resolution passed without a nay vote, with three abstaining.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I am all for the states passing sovereignty resolutions. I back Sarah Palin 100%, and the rest of the states doing this also.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Sarah isn’t perfect (who is?) but she has one of the best chances to spearhead a return of our lost liberties. Keep an eye on her over the next few years. The collectivists are worried.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
While I probably do “get it” more than most in the lower forty-eight since I was once a resident of Alaska, this fixation over Palin and her supposed “conservatism” in the larger U.S. sort of baffles me. The eccentrics in Alaska didn’t elect, in Palin, a conservative per se, they elected a fellow eccentric. I mean, what kind of “conservative” names her children after Alaskan foliage? C’mon!
Nonetheless, it used to be my opinion that Alaskans were “too independent” of the nation, their independency and eccentricity (or “rugged individualism”) being closely related. But that is no longer the case. Let them have their eccentrics; that’s what the state is largely about. But at the same time, let’s keep Sarah Palin in perspective. She’s an eccentric, not a conservative. That she’s a woman with five dependent children, and that she has, by her own choice, a job as all-consuming as a governorship of a state (any state) is enough said on the subject.
While I could never possibly agree with her feminist promoting “absentee momism” irregardless of what she claims to be, I do support her decision to add her signature to this resolution. Just remember, though, as an eccentric from an eccentric state, she’s doing so for largely different reasons than folks in the lower forty-eight are.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
~WAY TO GO, SARAH! HAVING FAMILY, AND FRIENDS, IN THE GREAT STATE OF ALASKA, I’M VERY INTERESTED IN THEIR POLITICS.. EVERY ALASKAN I KNOW IS FIRMLY BEHIND SARAH.. I’D LIKE TO KNOW THE NAMES OF THOSE ”NOT VOTING” –SOUNDS AS THOUGH THEY’RE ASHAMED OF THEIR CONVICTIONS..(state of mind when one is free of doubt) if they have any… helen
July 13th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
……. Here’s the plan…. Sarah Palin, for President… Devvy Kidd, for vice president…!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Palin for president? I’m not sure about that one, but the buzz that her name should bring to the 10th movement should certainly help to promote the idea of nullification.
The Federal Government is a dysfunctional mess at this point, regardless of who is elected president.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
~~Funny that Terry Morris, above, should natter on, and on, about naming children after plants… has she ever heard of Rose, or other popular names? TM reminds me of the “‘flower-children”‘ of the 60s… CRITICAL OF EVERYONE WHO DOESN’T FIT THEIR MOLD.. (while we’re at it, recall some of the monkiers those drop-outs hung on their kids!!)True to her liberal background, she assumes the privilege of deciding what people should, or should not, name their kids.. and just about everything else they do…. GIVE US A BREAK!! (could be, the 60s were TOO GOOD TO HER) So, Terry, you couldn’t “”cut it”" in Alaska, that’s no reason for being bitter about people who are successful and love their state!
As a true Conservative, I’m usually not given to parsing out advice to the ‘mentaly challenged’ but I would suggest that Terry GET A LIFE!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Terry, what is not conservative about electing to have, rather than abort a Down’s syndrome baby? what is not conservative about supporting traditional values? Absentee momism? she took the kids with her wherever she went, and when things got too rough on them she stepped down. There is nothing eccentric about being independent from government tyranny! True conservatism is really closer to being a libertarian constitutionalist, its about mixing freedom from the feds with traditional judeo/christian values.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I like her because I perceive her as the sort-of person whose attitude is to expect people to pull themselves up, rather than whine and ask for hand-outs.
She seems to be more of a “survivalist,” plus she is far, far from the social elites who run our affairs in DC. Those who criticise her for being too “provincial,” or “shallow,” I think, are missing some of her better qualities. The day she starts acting and sounding like our typical leaders, is the day I will see her as just another one of “them.”
I wonder whether, if she made it to the high office, she’d have enough gumption to not spend everything the Convic… err… Congress budgets and actually just ignore them and save us all the bloat and pain.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
“Natter on and on?” I couldn’t “cut it in Alaska?” LOL!
Helen, if you’re a “true conservative,” I’m Santa Claus himself. But if it makes you feel better, keep lying to yourself. It has no bearing on me.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I think you all should be given an island to live on and then you can govern it however you want! You wacos would be killing each other within three years
July 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Jenne wrote:
Terry, what is not conservative about electing to have, rather than abort a Down’s syndrome baby?
Let me turn the question back on you: What IS “conservative” about holding him up, like some kind of a trophy, on stage in front of a crowd of groupie-like followers? What IS “conservative” about parading Bristol and Levi on stage at the RNC? What IS “conservative” about a woman being an unabashed feminist? Etc.?
Ans: Nothing.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Actually, Dan, we’d probably stay out of each other’s hair. However, if you were on the island, we’d tire of you in a heartbeat for trying to impose your enlightened judgment on us. You’d be telling us what to eat and want, and we’d just be nice and say, “shut the heck up!”
July 13th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Apparently Dan thinks that an honest disagreement between posters on the matter of what constitutes true conservatism amounts to a willingness to murder one’s opponents to establish one’s own view above all others. Well, Dan, I ain’t murdered anyone yet, and I’m working under the assumption that the others haven’t either. We may all be “wackos” in your whacked-out opinion, but what exactly does that say about your opinion?
Don’t make me laugh you little worm.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Dan 5588,
I would take it from your post that you are an Obama supporter. If so, I hope you also survive the onslaught of Marxism against our free republic.
Don’t be part of the problem, Dan. Try to help, rather than destroy and disrupt.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I can tolerate honest disagreement, even when it’s expressed in a way that I consider to be a little over the top, as with Helen’s critique of my statements above. Some people allow passion to overrule their better judgment, and then they hit the “send” button. Whoopti-doo!
But this “Dan” fellow is an altogether different case.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Here’s an interesting prospect. Imagine Sarah Palin runs for President. We’d have a candidate that actually signed a 10th resolution. Something leads me to believe she’d stand behind this act if she was to make it to the high office.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Maybe she’d sign an E.O. establishing AK’s independency? Not based on the tenth, necessarily, but perhaps on the fact that it is not a part of the contiguous U.S.?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
So everyone’s idea of conservatism is different..to Jenn you are a conservative if you prop up a down syndrome baby,( what about the poor suffering children!!) and push the all so politically correct traditional values.. not to mention the exclusive on Christian values.. And Helen holds steady claiming that she is 100% TRUE conservative Evidently based on her unwavering support of Palin ( never mind that Palin was McCain’s running mate on the republican ticket, and since when has republicans been true conservatives?).. so you see, everyone has their own little corner of what they think is truth. It’s always just that little group of beliefs that galvanises you to conservatism, yet, it only takes one hypocritical turn to blow your credibility out of the water..this is conveniently called selective conservatism.. I would bet most lives are spent living like liberals… having a job, someone else calls the shots, dictates how much and when you get paid, when you go home, when you go to work. perhaps some “conservatives” even have union jobs.. your kids are in public school, you also think that your republican state representative is somehow better then all the others.
how convenient ( and hypocritical) Most people have no Idea what true conservatism means..it’s not about sticking up or defending the politician of your choice, or defending a political party, true conservatism is a way of life, and 90% of self described conservatives are conservative, until t Monday Morning rolls around and they resort back to their liberal way of life… and it’s by their own choice!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Wow, Larry is not a Waco, maby all you other waco’s need to take after him.I did vote for Obama but I know a liar when I read one!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
**rolls eyes**
July 13th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
No dan, Larry Isn’t a wacko, Larry is a conservative, he is self employed,and he walks what he talks, and he knows what conservatism is. he also doesn’t need go to liberal sites and trolls for attention..
Unlike Dan who voted liberal-progressive, and seems to have lost his way, just a few clicks over dan….. I think your people are at huffington aren’t they?..or do you just enjoy the attention you get here?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Terry,
You wouldn’t catch palin signing an EO establishing Independence, that would pigeon hole her. she is Just rounding up republican support for the next election, Resolutions are all the rage because they lack any sort of commitment.And I get the feeling that the Republicans are using these sovereignty resolutions to gain seats.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I just like someone who actually “says” he lives the conservitive values, which I seldom see, I would suggest to you sir that you are the hippocrite IF, my guess is right and you attend church services every week and practice forgivness to those of a similiar political belief as your self, but as for “trolls” like me you would rather do some bodily harm to, your actualy no different than those you were berating in your previous comments. I find it intresting how your incendiary speach about Obama and your undying devoyion to the mentaly insane rush limbaugh, yes, any man who calls on his listerners to RIOT @ the democratic convention and calls a natsi sympathiser who shoots a guard @ the holocaust museum a liberal is by defintion (DSM definition) insane. My natural mother thinks just like you wacos, and because we will never have a relationship, so I will get on here and tell all of you f K ups how off you are as often as I want, and you can in kind, tell me that I am just as big as a f K up that is what america is all about, I think some of you have forgotten that!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I can understand why people who apparently have so much emotional support invested in someone like Sarah Palin would take offense to some jackass coming along and outing her as a non-conservative. I mean, if she’s a non-conservative, what does that say about them? That’s why they get so crossways when someone points out the truth of the matter. It’s not really about Palin per se, it’s about them.
It’s not my fault that Palin isn’t a conservative, nor that the implications are what they are concerning her staunch advocates and supporters personally.
As a truth-seeker, I can’t really concern myself with whether someone is going to be offended by what I state to be the truth as I understand it. If someone has good arguments to support their view that Palin is a conservative, then by all means, let’s take a look at them. But I’ve already heard or seen most of ‘em I imagine, so I doubt that I can be convinced. But maybe I can be. Who knows?
None of this is to say that I hold any personal animosity towards Sarah Palin. I don’t. I just know that she’s not a conservative. I know that Alaska is not a conservative state, and that the people of Alaska would never knowingly elect to their governorship a true conservative. But then, a true conservative would never run for the governorship as anything else. So there ya go.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Terry morris i see that sarah palin inst the only C U N T….wink wink
July 13th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Dan,
I’m not a cruel person by nature (really!), but you’re starting to get on my nerves.
If you want anyone to take you seriously at all — and if you don’t, what really is the point? — then you need to do certain things. First, you need to learn how to spell, or at least learn to use spellcheck. Second, you need to learn to use proper punctuation in your rants (learn why the apostrophe used a certain way places a given word in the possessive sense, used another way it forms compound words, etc., things like that.). Third, you need to learn to write complete sentences, full stop. Fourth, you need to learn to capitalize properly. Fifth, and perhaps most importantly, you need to drop a lot of the insults … for the sake of insulting people. (we can go over logical errors and how to avoid them once you’ve learned those basic things)
Otherwise, you look like exactly what your rants suggest you are: A complete and utter idiot.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
John, is that kind of talk really necessary? Really??? C’mon man!
July 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Dan,
My Quote from “the men who destroyed the constitution”
“The Hannity, Limbaugh, Medved, O’Rielly crowd are no better then the people they chastise, they have no problem ignoring the abuse of rights that republicans inflict on the country, yet they point fingers at the Dems as the evil ones.. this game will continue until we the people have said enough! and either create a third party to rally behind, or we clean house in the Republican party and return it to conservative Ideals..
As for the Judge, I’m not sure how much of what he says is conviction or just an attempt to patronize disgruntled conservatives. goading the people into continuing the same game.”
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And dan.., I dont do church, this has already been established and pretty much everyone knows it.. So not only are you a lousy guesser, but you also suck at discernment, Instead of spending time actually reading comments by participants… you crash your way onto the scene, like a charging rhino.. pushing ahead spewing your BS, Not bothering to read comments to gain perspective of what positions the people you comment on take, .. making a complete ass of yourself.. so blather on Dan.. every time you post, it validates the claims made by the people of this site. you are your biggest fan on this site, so what else you got??
July 13th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Yikes John!
My Kid reads these! We gotta bury that one!!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Good for Alaska and other states who recognize apathy will cause them to lose rights provided for in the Constitution.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Lets make Sarah the head of the Independent party. She certainly is a maverick and seems to tell everyone “to H with the political rules”.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:17 am
John smith is an immature, ignorant, low life for referring to Sarah like that. Go change your diapers.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Dan is the typical Obama supporter. He can’t spell or write. He insults instead of arguing facts. Dan is a Marxist. That’s what Liberal Marxists do. Fascism at its best!!!
Dan is the true wacko who wants the Obamination to control everything we do. He has drunk the Obama Kool-Aid and will not listen to any dissent or actual facts. He plays right into the corrupt media as his factual source.
Well Dan, WAKE UP!!! I have no idea where you live but you can move to any state that supports your twisted Marxist, Nanny, Welfare state (i.e. Bankrupt California). But, you WILL NOT impose your sick, screwed up world view on me.
60 million people said “HELL NO” to Obama and that number is growing. Even ACORN can’t steal that away. We are not going to sit quietly and watch you Marxists steal our freedoms and stomp all over the constitution.
This movement is growing and it scares the hell out of your little simple Marxist brain.
Now go away you little child and hang out over at the Huffington post or the Daily Kos. There are plenty of wacko Obamanites over there for you to circle jerk with.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Time for a constitutional convention to get rid of the immigration problem. No more citizenship if your mother manages to sneak in before giving birth.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 am
John smith is an immature, ignorant, low life for referring to Sarah like that. Go change your diapers.
He shouldn’t be referring to anyone like that. That kind of language is indecent, and it shouldn’t be permitted to stand at a respectable site like this in my opinion.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I don’t really know much about Sarah Palin personally, or even her politics. I know she ran for vice-president on the McCain ticket.
Since I see the federal government as the problem we face, and not the solution to our problems in any way, I have no real interest or time for paying attention to what’s going on at the federal level. In general, I choose to ignore the federal government as much as I can.
But, on a state level, which I see as our best hope for liberty, I certainly applaud Ms. Palin for signing this resolution!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Sarah Palin is a decent person who cares about her country. I personally hated to see her get mixed up with that scumbag RINO John McCain. But what’s done is done. I hope she learned a good lesson by it.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Headline: “Sarah Palin’s Messy Exit Strategy Could Really Cost Alaska”
AWESOME!
July 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Usually best not to nitpick on the nitpickers, guys. Terry & Dan & Larry, et al, are entitled to their opinions and value judgements as much as anyone else. Let’s not let that get our eyes “off the ball.” If you don’t like what they say, and it is “off topic,” IGNORE IT… don’t escalate the descent into name-calling
“The ball,” in this case is the fact that the Constitution has been/is being shredded and burned, our form of Government is being CHANGED on a minute by minute basis by POTUS and his Czars and a reckless Congress (Dems and Repubs alike!), and we are being summarily shuttled into bureaucratic and financial slavery at this very minute. How’s that for “Change we can believe in”??? Picking fights with each other accomplishes nothing of value and undoes none of the insanity being perpetrated. Nobody is perfect: there ARE NO potential candidates for ANY office that will ever meet that standard. Not Sarah Palin, or anyone else. They are all human, just like all of us, and they ALL screw things up and are double-minded about some things.
We have GOT to stop “majoring on the minors,” and look for people who have some sort of functional understanding of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence who is committed to REAL change: back to what the Founding Fathers gave us in the first place… not what all the Progressives have stolen from us since!
The farther you read down this thread, the less you are able to remember what the original topic was! … OR CARE! The Progressives are COUNTING on this, and some of them may be here with the INTENTION of distracting us and keep us “slapping at the flies.” Focus on the goal, not the distractions. If we don’t encourage them by “taking the bait” they may not go away, but at least we don’t find ourselves down on their level. Stay on topic, ignore the comments that act as bait to get off topic, (intentionally or otherwise): finding SOLUTIONS, not endlessly analyzing the problems and the problem makers and looking for people to blame.
What freakin difference does it possibly make how Sarah Palin holds her babies or is employed by someone or self-employed??? HOW does any of that stop the reckless spending, the “distribution of wealth” until there is no wealth left to distribute, or get SERIOUS people of Constitutional convictions into Office and get the Progressives out, or a least with seriously reduced power??? Cursing, name calling, and belittling each other is not gonna get anything resembling Conservatism… however you choose to define it/live it… back center stage. Its just gonna make people fighting for Conservative reality look like a bunch of immature morons fighting in the school yard. Please. Can we elevate the discourse??? For the love of the country, if no other reason? Please!
July 14th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Thank you for that well thought out reminder, star.
May none of you take that statement as an attack, star simply and eloquently reminded us all that we’re all fighting for the same thing here- liberty.
I second her call for a more respectful debate moving forward as we all hash out these vital issues.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
That was such a smart thing for not only Sarah Palin but all states should do this if for no other reason than to protect themselves from all that SHIT that got dumped in the WHITE HOUSE
July 14th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
We’re all fighting for liberty here? Including Dan and John??? Hmm. I think I have to respectfully disagree with that statement.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I think everyone who is a regular here ( myself included ) as been duped by progressives stopping by to agitate at one time or another, we get “hooked” into having to defend our view and it snowballs into a full out battle, I agree with Star, and I for one am now on guard.. It is easy to spot agitators because their approach is insulting right off the bat, and they never stick around…
That said, It would be nice to see more sincere people on this site, I have spread the word to my customers and colleagues ( at least the ones who have a pulse ) and encourage them to stop in and comment, and followup on replies.to get involved by voicing their concerns and asking questions that they may have.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
By the way, if the tenor of this thread were the norm at this website, I might actually find myself more in agreement with Star. But it isn’t the norm. Most conversations here are very civil between posters even though we sometimes have fundamental disagreements. But if all of us went around worrying all the time about whether we might offend someone with our opinions about Sarah Palin or whatever, we wouldn’t ever have any engaging conversations on anything, and therefore nothing could ever be solved. I’d personally rather have people stating their disagreements with me, and why they disagree than not. The existence of trolls notwithstanding.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Okay… I’m a little more encouraged to hang around now. I am NOT a “regular.” One of my Facebook friends put the link to the original article about SP signing the AK Sovereignty Resolution. I read the article and decided to venture into the comments, which I don’t often do, expecting reasoned discourse about the Tenth Amendment being defended in some way, and perhaps some discussion about how that might impact SP’s political future.
It was discouraging to see how quickly the discussion went off topic into personal criticism’s of SP and her childrearing practices, valid or otherwise… and even faster into attacks on individual posters who fail to meet the standards of other posters, etc. I made my comments, 1, hoping to divert the discourse back to the subject, and 2, to see how that might be received. Mixed reviews, but overall positive.
I appreciate the observation my comments were not intended to be an attack… because they were not. I was profoundly disappointed, but you can’t spend much time on the internet in forums and not find this sort of distraction, regardless the topic at hand. Besides the fact that attacking people for attacking each other is, at best, illogical. 
Having come from a family of people who look for reasons to disagree (and be disagreeable doing so) and to humiliate and demean anyone with whom they disagree, I’ve been forced to learn there is only ONE way to shut these type of “discussions” down… silence. You don’t acknowledge the “bait,” you refuse to permit the other person to determine how you conduct yourself and your interactions, you stay on topic… or you leave the discussion for something more useful.
The stakes have not been higher for this Country since its inception. We are quickly finding ourselves with not much left to lose. If we don’t stay on topic and on task… we have far more to lose than a debate. We stand to have our daily lives fundamentally changed… and not for the better. We can focus on the failings and foibles of every person who steps up to the plate to attempt to do SOMETHING helpful… until there is no one left “acceptable” to move us in another direction… or we can stay on task and on topic and look for people with conviction and moxy and a willingness to throw themselves into the fire knowing full well they will get burned, bloody and bruised and we know equally well that they are flawed human beings and give them a break. I just hope that the burns, blood and bruises could be sourced more from the opposition’s camp than from the camp they are attempting to champion. That isn’t to say we aren’t to be aware and have standards, but could the standards please be about things of substance? Like their public record? Like the organizations with which they’ve associated themselves. Not about their clothing, or mating habits, or whether they prefer broccoli or carrots? There is a place for moral wisdom, of course… but is anyone familiar with the personal side of Benjamin Franklin? (Just one case in point?) Maybe we were better off when we didn’t know that Thomas Jefferson slept with his black mistress and had at least one child with her or speculations that James Buchanan was possibly gay? (he wasn’t) And heaven knows what else we don’t know… that doesn’t matter politically.
Our country was founded by flawed people who disagreed with one another about any number of things. In spite of that, they gave us some really good “bones” to work from. As interesting asides, it is fun to discuss the salacious and eccentric details about our public figures, but we serve ourselves best by staying on point and keeping the end game clearly in mind.
Yes… it isn’t completely accurate to say that “every one” posting here… or anywhere else… have the same goals/purposes. It does sound like this is true of the lion’s share. We can choose to ignore the divisive voices… or that part of their contributions… and stay on task.
That’s all I’m saying…
I would like to participate more in this site and these discussions, but I have no interested in “political food fights.” I hope the level of discussions here make it worth my time. I’m encouraged that there is an assessment that other discussions don’t follow this path… I hope that is true. Thank you for a fair hearing on the points I made earlier. We are mostly on the same side, I hope. In those things about which we don’t agree, hopefully, those can be expressed in an agreeable manner.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Thanks, Star - we’re glad to see you here. You’ll find some articles you totally agree with, some you certainly don’t. You’ll also find some very pleasant non-controversial discussion in the comments, and other articles tend to be much more heated.
All in all though, I think the community here shows far more respect than in most forums, and the end result is the sharing and spreading of ideas. Good stuff.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I second everything you said, Michael. Star will enjoy participating here, I’m quite sure of it. And we will all be better served by his/her participation. Something else I’m quite sure of.
And if it wasn’t a great site, would I waste my valuable time here?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Looks like if she does not get her way she runs away.
She leaves Alaska when it gets tough and she would have Alaska leave the USA cause she things are not going the way she wants them to go. Thank GOD! she is not Vice President, she would likely embarrass her and us with the first temper tantrum in the Oval Office!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
And Joe Biden isn’t an embarassment? You can’t know what her true motives are anymore than I or anyone else can. I’m not sure where the “temper tantrum” remark came from, but whatever.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:28 am
I have a question for the admins.:
I’m hoping that this is just an oversight, but can anyone explain to me why John Smith’s highly offensive, vulgar comment above remains on this board? It isn’t just directed at Sarah Palin, which would be bad enough, but also to female posters here. Someone else has also complained about the comment, citing the fact that his children read this site. …
July 15th, 2009 at 4:52 am
I haven’t read it as it’s not really possible to keep up with every single comment. But seeing yours now, I’ll look for it. In the future, make sure to send an email if there’s something that needs to be addressed.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:57 am
John’s comment is immature, offensive, and completely unwelcome. But, since it’s become its own conversation (and I hope that will end here), it will not be removed. Also, while I prefer people do not leave comments like that, we don’t have the time or manpower to remove and moderate all comments on vulgarity reasons only. So, I cannot set a new precedent that can’t be guaranteed in the future.
This is a bit of a grey area for us, and if John were to leave comments on a regular basis and continually did this, I’d ask him to stop. But, I expect he’s just a drive-by troll. Ignore it.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Star,
The difference between the private lives of Franklin, Jefferson and Buchanan,
and private lives of others like Clinton, Bush, and Obama, is availability of information. This isn’t always a good thing, I’m thankful that the insignificance of Jefferson’s private life didn’t sideline him. Can you Imagine the outcome of something as important as the Louisiana Purchase being affected buy the fact that Jefferson ( a White dude ) preferred sex with Black women?
The thing I notice about the public’s expectations of politicians is that we hold them at incredibly high standards, and they play into them, they will conform to whatever we want in order to get elected because once in office, it’s almost impossible to get rid of them, If the public preferred their politicians in jester suits and bells on the turned up portion of their shoes, you can be sure we would get what we want.
The people we need in office are people who are not playing the game..
In our personal lives, We would be suspect of someone who is willing to conform to anything we desire, we need to be just as suspect if not more with people we elect.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:18 am
AMEN STAR, WELL SAID. GO SARAH GO
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
FOLKS, ARE NATION IS SCREWED. THE STATES ARE OUR ONLY HOPE NOW. IF MY TEXIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS DECIDE TO TAKE THEIR REPUBLIC AND LEAVE THE UNION THEN I WILL BE LEAVING MY BELOVED STATE OF OKLAHOMA AND MOVING TO TEXAS. BY THE WAY OKLAHOMA IS THE ONLY STATE THAT ALL 77 COUNTIES WAS CARRIED BY SARAH PALIN IN THE LAST ELECTION. GO SOONERS
July 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Sad that we are in a time when we have to pass state legislation to remind us of constitutional rights that already exist. A sign that government has grown beyond it’s legal authority given by the people?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
the government is trying to take steps to enslave us to them…to a corporation that does not work…GM ring a bell. what most people don’t realize is that these government officials are willing to take your money (taxes) and build a new America that is not in accordance to our Constitution…that makes it illegal…the pres. should be impeached as well as senators and congress reps. alike. If you are breaking the law…your a criminal…you should not be in office…
Another note…so many comments are made that are dragging others down…think about what you are saying…if you believe in the freedom of speech…which is also a form of freedom of expression tearing someone else down because they are using their rights as a human…this is indeed a topic for global forums…your trying to argue that only your view is correct…stop tearing each other down…uplift…admonish…would you act that way or speak that way to a small child..? No, you would mentally scar that child…why do it at all? Only in defense when you are being attacked…verbally. Build each other up…regardless of religious views…Love one another. All views should encompass that ideaology…and if it doesn’t…rethink that view.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Hmm.. Got good and rowdy in here didn’t it? Actually that’s a good thing, it means people are paying attention to what’s going on. The only bad part of it is that we may wind up having to fend off collectivists wandering in and spewing hate like they did on the foxnews.com boards. It’s got so bad, they shut those down.
Should that develop, the login boards that Michael was testing in here not long ago, might have to make a permanent return. They do cut down on the drive-by posts.
Nice job in the discussion folks. This is how we find a good course of action in the long run.
July 17th, 2009 at 8:44 am
OK, now we need to put some teeth behind these Resolutions. The Resolutions are a good start, but don’t enforce anything. TN has asked for all states to committee on mandates, laws that they want to NULLIFY (yes, nullify a law is legal as stated by T. Jefferson a while ago).
We need to be active and write, call state Rep’s and Governors to join and fight the Feds. Nullify: Cap & Tax; Health Reform (AZ started); Bailouts, Stimulus (cancel before its spent), Tarp - for these state allow us NOT to pay a % of taxes to cover these; then we get into Agencies, Regulations - how is it that the Feds can tell a state of Corp where to drill for oil??? etc. etc.
Jerry
July 18th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Hello all! First time to site and I really applaud all who are concerned about the federal government overstepping their bounds. i am currently reading “The Federalists Papers”, as well as other informative books. The states standing on the tenth ammendment are exactly the mechanism the founders spoke of when the feds act in a tyrannical manner. We all need to educate ourselves so that we may lead the way and help inform as many others as possible.
The founders also believed the population would continue to be an educated and moral people. Apathy has become an epidemic that can only be cured through involvement.
Hope to visit again, God Bless Our Country!
July 18th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Welcome, Melanie! Education is the first step, no doubt. Without a proper understanding of the correct role of the federal government in our lives, we don’t have much to work with.
If you’d like some further reading, I would recommend “Who Killed the Constitution” “The Constitution in Exile” and “The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution“
July 19th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Anyone who needs a million dollars worth of hardware (helicopter) to go shoot an animal, that they do not intend to eat, but merely to make them feel what ever sick F K ing feeling they get from shooting a fellow pack mammal Deserves nothing less than to waste away painfully from anal cancer!
July 19th, 2009 at 2:40 am
This seems to me to be pure semantics. The States lost all rights to do this during the Civil War
July 19th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Da Man or Da Jerk?
Is this just another destructive comment from an illiterate source, or did you have a legitimate point to make?
July 19th, 2009 at 6:19 am
DaMan - what does that statement have to do with the 10h amendment or the sovereignty resolution itself? Ad hominem attacks are useless and not welcome here. Don’t post any again.
July 19th, 2009 at 6:20 am
END the FED.
Support Ron Paul and Palin…No more theft from the US Taxpayer.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:37 am
For starters, the CONstitution is not legally binding on anybody. However, for those who think it is, they should realize that the federal government doesn’t even pretend to operate within its constraints, so there’s absolutely no reason for the states to. In fact, every single state legislature should immediately declare its independence from DC — financially, economically, etc. — and confiscate every single military installation, along with weaponry, ammunition, etc. After all, they paid for it, didn’t they?
It’s way past time to starve these traitorous DC scum out of existence.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Gov. Palin is a Zionist gatekeeper, so beware. This signing is only to trick “conservative” voters at a later date.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Regardless os whatever ulterior motives may lurk, Palin was correct to sign a resolution which is unanimously elected by AK’s legislature. I’m wondering why more states arenit standing up on their hind legs, for instance here in Arkansas, where is our heritage of republican thought?
In reply to Tom, above: A constitutional convention, given the pervasively socialistic atmosphere permeating Washington, would have disastrous consequences for our republic, and anyone who ardently desires to see our national soverignity continue should strenuously oppose such a convention.
C.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Regardless os whatever ulterior motives may lurk, Palin was correct to sign a resolution which is unanimously elected by AK’s legislature. I’m wondering why more states aren’t standing up on their hind legs, for instance here in Arkansas, where is our heritage of republican thought?
In reply to Tom, above: A constitutional convention, given the pervasively socialistic atmosphere permeating Washington, would have disastrous consequences for our republic, and anyone who ardently desires to see our national soverignity continue should strenuously oppose such a convention.
C.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:21 am
by AL signing into law this resolution it verifies one thing. That they know that the USA is not and never has been a democracy. We are a republic….there is no liberty in the extremes and despotism of a democracy.
As to Sarah, she scares the bejeebers out of the left and right wings. Why does she scare them so much? Because she has to potential of crossing bias party lines. She is a woman, a mother, a hunter, a leader, an administer, talented, elegant…to name a few. This woman is far more liked than disliked, can appeal to moms, husbands, hunters, teens, kids, medical professionals, corporations, big business as well as rich and the poor. She can cross all the lines, she can attract far more support than any other candidate in history IF she is given a fair and level playing field.
McCain was loser, his own camp turned on his hand picked running mate. He never stood up and exposed the treachery. Instead, he remained a stolid bullfrog gapping at the gills. He did nothing to expose the mole in his own camp till it was too late.
IF Palin is given a fair shake by the bias and over zealot media than she will be the next president. She has the potential to reach across the divide.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Other states aren’t jumping on board because of the ‘Democratic Party’ influence. Here in Maine, there was a Tenth Amendment resolution that never got out of committee - voted down 9-6, right along party lines. What frustrated me was the republican sponsors didn’t want to publicize the resolution of have citizens get involved - it was a hushed and secret attempt at pushing the resolution through. Republicans in this state of Maine have no cajones. And, boy are some of the voters angry!
This federal government and many Democratic controlled state government’s simply don’t belong to the people anymore, and we need to take them back. I, personally, don’t want to see the U.S. get broken up, because it will mean the end of our nation’s survival. I want to see the United States continue as a single nation, but it has to become responsive to sound decision making and conformance to our Constitution.
I believe in Sun Tsu’s philosophy of ‘know the enemy, know yourself,’ and the enemy is now clearly understood by all of us as being Marxist and being focused on the complete and utter destruction of the free republic of the United States of America.
It’s also clear the communists everywhere don’t want any semblance of individual strength, state’s rights, or a strong America - they are all working for strong communist government control of the United States, and they aren’t backing down. They think they have already won the war. What do you think – accurate observation by the commies? Have they won?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Anyone doubting the red menace should listen to the recordings of Myron C. Fagan: http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Myron.C.Fagan/index.php
and read the book: The Union Jack , by Helen Peters.
As Mr Fagan reiterates ” they never stop ” , and neither should we, if we are to remain unenslaved.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Idiots—-This has nothing to do with Palin—-All she did was SIGN a Bill——She did not nor does she have the ability to think of such a thing—merely doing as she was told! Besides—no one likes a quitter—they can’t be trusted in the long run! Palin? Nothing more than a developmentally disable boob!
Now. These Bills have no force of law behind them and are merely being used as a blow hard device. Should the states sever ties with the Fed gov and declare actual Sovereignty, this will serve as a precursor for Civil War—You do remember that…..do you not? Each state with it’s own rules/laws will turn back progress made over the last 200 hundred years in many areas….
In the case of taxes and such. Each state receives various block grants and other funding which allows them to function. Thos States/Governors who refuse the monies will cause States to raise taxes, close programs, limit services etc….Wake up people and know that you are being used in that this could be considered a reason to delcare Martial Law—In other words:”Be careful what you wish for”…………..
July 19th, 2009 at 10:17 am
What a useless thread this has become. Sad.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:18 am
All 50 states should secede from the tyranical and unconstitutional federal government which was bought and paid for and literally hijacked. We the American people have been sold down a river. We do not have representative government which is the cornerstone of our governmental system. Under the constitution we are supposed to have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people and those just powers are supposed to be derrived from the consent of the governed.These liars, thieves and usurpers do not represent us at all. Everything they do has deprived us of our quality of life; our standard of living, and our freedom and liberty. Also, we should not allow dual citizenship in our country. Anyone who refused to denounce their former citizenship should be deported, and that includes Michael Chertoff and Rahm Emanuel.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:34 am
In my opinion: Sarah Palin should run for President of the United States and not as a Republican or as a libratarian but as an Independent! Sarah sould stay away from the Powers that Be and the Partys currently in power and she should support The Consitution of the United States and the American People as a whole with NO PARTY INFLUENCE, ETC We’d have a candidate that actually signed a 10th resolution! We need the clean out the House and Senate of all Democrats and Republicans! The Democrats and Republicans have spent EVERYTHING! Weaponized vaccines, Confiscation of physical wealth and property is in the works! The Political Rules for American Politics should say NO LAWYERS, AFFLUENT can run for office. No elected official should hold office over 4 years. No leagal chalanges to the consitution, No Monopoly controll by corporations and companys like ACORN!
The Federal Government is a dysfunctional mess at this point, regardless of who is elected president! Our government has grown beyond it’s legal authority given by the people!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The only real power left to thwart what is happening in DC is in the states and local communities. Neither left nor right can ever justify the loss of individual, inherent rights for any reason or collective cause.
Clearly, our federal reps only answer to Goldman Sachs and the Fed, is this what we want not only for ourselves but our children as well…Does anyone really want a bunch of champagne socialist/fascists exempting themselves from the rules and regulations they will impose upon others, and consign our children to a much lower standard of living?
July 19th, 2009 at 11:12 am
And now, for the Federal response:
Dear “Sovereign” State of Alaksa. You were not born when the “civil” war was fought between states claiming their “sovereignty” and the “Unionists” who demand that you have no “sovereign” right to freely leave the Union, therefore, since you do not possess the “sovereign” right to leave the Union, nor do you possess any right or privilege that we, the Federal government, decides you should not have.
Do not make us come to Alaska and kick on that ass.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Keep the ball rolling!!
http://bigeye.com/amendment10.htm
July 19th, 2009 at 11:27 am
The Indigenous in Alaska and across the continent are already a sovereign people. This is continuously and “quite conveniently” overlooked across the board. No?
This is incredible to watch but if it wasn’t for real nobody would believe it.
This is how an American president handles Indigenous sovereignty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdimK1onR4o
July 19th, 2009 at 11:34 am
The Indigenous in Alaska and across the continent are already a sovereign people. This is continuously and “quite conveniently” overlooked across the board. No?
Maybe this board doesn’t like links so go to You Tube and have a look at Bush on Sovereignty.
It’s incredible to watch but if it wasn’t for real nobody would believe it but this is how Bush handles Indigenous sovereignty.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Testing.
How long does it take for your post to show after you submit?
July 19th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Iwould like very much to give my support to this issue.
Roe Raaaayborn
P.O. Box 321
Morongo Valley, Calif.
92256
July 19th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Sarah Palin is one in a million and is courageous, built with integrity, smart as a whip (she tied Biden up in little prison knots with her “Can I call you Joe”?) and then her participation in the debate “HIGHLIGHTED” exactly what he is….. a CFR CLONE AND WASHINGTON INSIDER while she looked like an honest down to earth, straight talking “person” instead of a “politician”……. she is great.
I think she could hold the key to saving this nation because SHE NEVER STOPS when she sees dishonest politicians and corruption. Just tell her to not fly in any small planes.
July 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
We have just passed through 8 years of leadership from a conservative . Here are the results:
The country was falsely led to believe we needed to start two wars and kill innocent people, and we still are suffering this injustice. Our federal government was grown to an immense, non-conservative size, draconian laws were passed that directly opposed our constitution, national debt was more than doubled, spying on Americans was secretly imposed, energy companies were protected by the Vice Pres. causing fuel prices to triple, the rest of the world changed their positive opinion of the US to a very negative one, industry was supported to ship jobs overseas, pollution controls lowered, Katrina non-action, our borders were left wide open and overran, protectionism and collusion with corporate companies(fascism) was a White House policy, a Pres. lying to the American people for the benefit of agendas not in the best interest of the US, tax breaks for the rich that further the gap of the haves and have not… an economic condition that resembles a scorched earth at the end of the conservatives rule… there’s more but what’s the point?
Both sides of the political spectrum are unethical and criminal. The situation that was left for our next Pres. is undeniably a disaster. The man will be our leader for the next three and a half years. What makes more sense, supporting the betterment of everyone, or separating people into classes? We can’t have both. The previous administration worked very hard to enrich the rich, they didn’t try to make people suffer, it just worked out that way. If we don’t start using wisdom, instead of political positions, were all doomed and Alaska will have its wish of being sovereign. Polarization of the country only works against us and will truly be our downfall. We’ve all been duped for so long it’s time awake and stop the idol worshipping that blinds people to the truth.
Our media we watch and listen to keep us distracted. Think, really think hard. Remember, even in a lie, the truth must exist for it to be a lie. Were being lied to from both sides and the media backs them up. Think.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
As much as I DISLIKED half of the republicans. They are the “hope” of returning this country to the constitution ideals. Republicans lost not because their principle is wrong, it’s because THEY BECAME democrats. There is no hope for democrats. They are just that distructive. Although, some republicans have followed suit all in the name of “for the good of the people.” Lets keep in mind that the PROGRAMS/THINGS that are LITERALLY bankrupting this country and also DESTROYING our freedom(hard to believe it’s really not the war when it comes to economics)are programs that are 99% introduced, passed and signed by democrat congress and presidents (ei. welfare, medicaid, medicare, social security). I do think that the republicans NEED to clean house..way too many Specter, and McCains. NONE of the wrongs has anything to do with moderate this and that. Hell, most moderates are destructive as well. It has EVERYTHING to do of what the founding fathers gave us in this country. Right now, we’re bordering communism as far as this administration goes. I recommed reading the “communist manifesto,” the teleprompter is following it to a TEE. We’re literally losing our freedom every day (Bush was guilty of big gov too but NOT as BAD as the teleprompter) and people are still drinking Koolaid. Hopefully, most of us are going to wake up soon.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Rob in NC, let’s hope you’re kidding but in case you aren’t…
How ’bout we kick your ass right back to the bogus crown from whence you came?
You do realize you’re British subjects don’t you?
Don’t make me hurt you.
Love kate.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:01 am
I was absolutely NOT kidding, Kate. The Federal Government has already went to war with states claiming their “sovereignty”, and they’ll do it again.
Tell me Kate, does the State of Alaska have an NSA, CIA, DEA, FBI, ONI, BATF, IRS, a navy, a war dept., an Airforce, and Nuclear and Biological nightmare weapons, and an unending supply of fiat money?
No? Get ready for that ass whipping then, because if you think the Federal Government is going to just let you get “all uppity” and actually EXERCISE “sovereign” rights, I got news for you - it never has and it ain’t about to start now.
They (the Federalists) WILL kill you.
I’ll repeat that - they WILL kill you.
And to prove that point, all you have to do is look at history, and I’m not just talking about the “civil” war. Look at what they did to the members of a CHURCH in Waco Texas, Kate, and how they demonized the victims of that assault on THEIR SOVEREIGNTY.
The best thing for you to do for you and your family, is shut up. Don’t say a damn word. I’m not telling you that to be mean to you. It’s REAL advice, even if you hate them, pretend you love them.
I love my country, but I absolutely hate this government.
They’re a pack of liars, mass murderers, thieves, and con men who get paid by the hour to talk and that includes those Pharisaic Republicans who are spiritual hypocrits. These extraordinary band of con men send our sons and daughters to die fighting some funny hatted tyrant 3,000 miles away when there’s 3,000 tyrants 1 mile away - in Washington DC - that are daily viciously attacking this nation and its inhabitants.
Beware Kate, the leaven of the Pharisees.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Folks, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the problems we are experiencing today are the result of a government that is NOT obeying the law and is NOT abiding by the constraints of the U.S. Constitution.
If you want your government to return to being a lawful government, you first have to understand the law yourself, become lawful yourself, and then force your government to return to lawfulness - it will NOT happen without your pressure and force from you, because there are too many advantages to being lawless.
It’s like a religion. Know the law, and enforce the law. The law is in the books, not in the administrator.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:37 am
If you haven’t read the Edwin Vieira article yet, now would be a good time to do so.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin197.htm
Anyone on this forum who is looking for a good description of our nation’s problems and see an actual systematic solution describing how to recover America, needs to read this article.
My next question is which state will be first to take action. Alaska? Texas? Oklahoma? Montana?
Volunteers to start the Vieira program in their state?
July 20th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Memo to Sarah: You don’t need a “resolution”. It’s already spelled out in the Constitution. You need to uphold the Constitution(a little late now) and we could stem the tide. That ain’t gonna happen and you know it. You need to stay out of politics….teach something like family values.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:08 am
OK, here is the test…… if given a choice, who would you pick??? Ginghrich or Palin????
Now that should make it clear what we are talking about here. ALL OTHERS ARE NEOCONS run by the CFR including Obama and Bush. So, the only choices we had during hte primary were RON PAUL…. SARAH PALIN SUPPORTED RON PAUL, who is not CFR. Or we could have had Baldwin, or a Bush man “Bob Barr”.
So, the only choice coming up is the person with no CFR connection (CFR is run by Rockefeller who is the chairman emeritis of the CFR since his father created it in 1922 to help create the great depression using similar tactics as used today. These guys have no creativity. If it worked they use it again.
Now Palin is not CFR and neither was baldwin or Paul. So, do you want a CFR NEOCON CLONE as a candidate in either party or a NON CFR CLONE as a candidate???? Palin is your only choice. For me its a no brainer.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Pepper,
To say something is a no-brainer speaks volumes of your choice. I prefer to use my brain, and neither of your choices compute to reality as being independent of the political darkness we suffer. Knowledge used logically is wisdom. The no-brainer method will keep us right where the powers that be desire.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
simple facts:
I noticed you glommed onto the phrase with the least importance in the post and ignored all the other facts presented to make the case. How sad you can’t even address the issues rather pontificate about nonessentials.
That is exactly why we are in trouble… no one “thinks”, analyzes or engages in true discourse over “facts” rather ego tripping over “gotchas” instead.
Pathetic.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Not even close Pepper. Just because I didn’t mention Mr. Family Values, or Newt as you might call him if you were his latest mistress, or Sarah(this job is below me now so I’m outta here!)Palin in my previous post, doesn’t leave them out of what was meant. Seeing how you are able to make decisions without your brain, I just left out the obvious part of your opinion because you have that ability.
As a country, we cannot afford such people in the most important office in the world. These would be quitters by the way, in case you need everything spelled out. Thanks for the response!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
To Terry Morris, From which dictionary you pulled the word (Irregardless from I no not.) The word does not exist in the English language. I would recomend that you as a troll,slither back beneath the rock which from you have emerged. You sir a a fucken disgrace to humanity!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Gadsen Man - lower the volume on your comment, please. And since I haven’t been reading this one too closely today, I can only assume that this isn’t the only comment of this tone.
What I prefer on this site is for people to debate, to discuss, to even get irritated and disagree. Personal attacks really make all those goals hard to achieve.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Sarah Palin is not conservative, She is N.W.O.
you dumbass so-called conservatives are brain dead!
I am a true conservative and as such would not vote for Palin for dog catcher, Neither Palin or McCain are conservative
July 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
“god” - I recommend that you vote for no one in federal elections. The federal government is a lost cause, in my opinion. that’s why this site exists - to educate and empower people to take action on state and local levels - in resistance to an out-of-control federal government.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
You know your country is in trouble when the States which comprise it has to pass resolutions that are already present in the national constitution.
It speaks volumes to the corruption in Washington D.C.
July 21st, 2009 at 2:43 am
Before we egage in sending in our opinions, I would suggest that we all read and take time to fully consider and understand the Constition. Statehood is a contract between the several soverign states. A contract is only in effect as long as either party does not violate the terms detailed in the contract A violation by either party renders it null and void. Thereby the actions by the Federal Goverment has rendered the States to be free from from it’s various atrocious mindless laws and other rules.
As far as the situation concerning Governor Palin is concerned, have any of you taken time to see what she has had to deal with?? She has been bombarded by heartless, mecyless attacks by a bunch of “Sour Grapes” mindless, leftward leaning twits that have would cause most people to become bankrupt due to legal expenses both for her and also for the State of Alaska. All I can say is “Go Girl Go” Can any of you suggest any other canditate that comes any where near her qualifications for publec office??
July 21st, 2009 at 6:04 am
SIMPLE facts:
When you can’t argue facts, argue law, when you can’t argue law, namecall.
Sounds like you are resorting to name calling rather than adult and non personalized discourse. Grow up and come back later when you can carry on a discussion.
Also to the person who said Palin is NWO, I would love some evidence of that. Its easy to do with McCain but I have seen no evidence that is the case with Palin. However, unlike simple facts I am open to evidence to support that contention.
Thanks.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:02 am
If those of you who are left of center would actually debate intellectually instead of resorting to immature name calling, we may actually find solutions. It never ceases to amaze me that you people refuse to look at facts. Both sides of the isle have sold their souls to aquire power of the minions. The socialist agenda is pure evil. They want to enslave ALL of us for their own benefit. It is time to throw all incumbents out of office, go through the white pages and find representatives to go to DC. They could not possibly do any more harm than those who are there now. Those of you that think we can build an utopia here on Earth are delusional. There will always be those who are willing to work a little harder in life and they should not have to carry the weight of those who choose not to apply themselves. Enough is Enough!
July 21st, 2009 at 7:16 am
Melanie - fantastic comment, thank you for that perspective!
July 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Does it really matter if Sarah Palin is or is not conservative? What she appears to be is speaking from the heart with conviction. She appears to be genuine. She appears to be like all of us who are the common THINKING mass. That is why she has the support she has today.
Bravo for her! Does it matter how effective her signing this resolution might or might not be? The point is she did something (which is far more than we can say for most politicians today.
We are in the midst of a crisis with total frauds and liars at the helm. WHY? Because we the people allowed it to happen.
Now we are going to bicker over what Sarah Palin is or isn’t? How about we start by accepting the FACT most of us are eclectic … we are ALL woven from many different kinds of thread. That is what makes us strong and that is what will make us winners again.
Perhaps we should focus on our likeness rather than fight over our differance.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Ok, Pepper, I did state facts. Newt Ginghrich belongs to the party that talks family values yet members like him are not faithful to their wives. His record for “quitting” his marriage partner is disgusting. That’s a fact. Look it up. Sarah Palin “Quit” her position as governor, which she took an oath to serve 4 years. As for her being attacked and costing her money, the first investigation was submitted by herself for an ethics question. She is fully responsible to the people of Alaska and this carries scrutiny whenever events around her require such. The two politicians I’m speaking about here are not what this country needs. That is my opinion. I said the same thing previously, but just a little more colorful. Simple facts.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Critical thinker,
it sounds like your describing George W. Bush. Are you really thinking our country would be needing more of his type around the White House? Because if you are your not thinking. GWB was just a regular guy, heck, just a good ol’ boy, huh! He will be known as the worst president we ever didn’t vote for.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Hey, about the Sovereignty movement, when are we going to do something about repealing BOTH the 17th and the 16th Amendments? Now, that would help!!
Anybody know of any group dedicated to that? Thanks!
July 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 am
Simple Facts,
Holy crap by chance did you flunk reading comprehension 101 somewhere in your educational history?
Your response to my comment is pretty far in left field. Are you really stupid or you just like looking that way? I know you have nothing better to do in life than create a moronic scrap in a public forum?
Since you brought it up … no actually I did not have GWB in mind at all. You are interested in fact? Who might be a legitimate President or not?
REALLY?
Under the circumstance I highly doubt that which puts you in the category where most of us fall. Someone with an opinion … surely you are aware of how that shakes out … “like assholes everyone has one”. What makes you think yours is better?
I wholeheartedly disagree with YOUR OPINION about GWB being the worst President in history … I think Obama has crashed that party with spades.
And just when I thought things could not possibly get worse after the philandering, corrupt Clinton’s and the roll over and play dead sellout to follow.
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 am
Alaska’s Sovereignty, they are a bunch of whiney babies in my opinion. One only has to look at their former leader Sarah Palin resigning as governor. She basically said she was elected to office and expected to serve out the term she was elected for. But that would make her a quitter. Therefore, she is quitting because she doesn’t want to be a quitter…good grief, no need to comment.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
Critical Thinker(not),
I value your opinion as another American and I do understand where your coming from. But I am perplexed why your getting so nasty with a response that most respectable forums would never allow. Yet, variety is the spice of life.
GWB, while your correct you didn’t mention him, was what I sensed by your description of Sarah Palin. That’s the connection by me, not your actual words. Most readers would grasp this simple concept readily.
Since you brought up Pres. Obama, a legal citizen that won without hanging chads, handily I might add, it’s disingenous to try and compare his beginning presidency with the completed two term GWB. Simple Facts. Of course we can compare the situation that they both entered their presidency. Let’s see, budget surplus left by Clinton, budget defict left by GWB. Prosperity left by Clinton, scorched Earth/devastated economy left by GWB. High standings in the eyes of the world left by Clinton, complete dismay and loss of trust left by GWB. US mainland attacked and 3000+ Americans killed on GWB watch, shame.
Talk about reality if you wish to help the world, and stop the, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, type of poisoning your enjoying right now. Hate is not the answer. The divide and conquer style is way more prevalent on the right than on the left, even though it’s visible in both. Breath, relax, step outside and look at the world that greed is killing. Your children are reason enough to desire what’s better for everyone, and not what’s best for the rich and the corporations. Politicians are destroying anything that stops their handlers from getting what their megalomania deems worthy, regardless of the effect. The pendulum will swing back eventually because we live in a finite world, and not the infinite growth they all delude themselves with. I’m just saying….
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am
Hey Simpleton,
I think you are on the wrong site. You aren’t at the kos or huffington. I don’t ever know where to start. Obama has done more harm in six months than GWB did in eight years. I did not agree with everything he did, prescription drug welfare, deficit spending, etc. May I remind you that 9/11 was the result of eight years of Clinton turning a blind eye to terrorism. The Clintons had nothing but disdain for our military. Further, Bush kept this country free of another attack, put terrorism on defense, and women in Iraq no longer have to wear sheets over their bodies. Come on man! You talk about dividing the country, you sir are helping lead the way with your perverse take of the world.
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Whether Sarah Palin is a conservative or not, I like what she says and her convictions. Is she perfect - are any of us? I would vote for her in a heartbeat, her views are very close to mine. I just want less government and for the govenment to get out of my back pocket.
Just for the record - I’m 66-years old, worked hard all my life, don’t expect a handout, have lived in Alaska (love the state and the people). Now I’m living under a Govenment that goes against all my beliefs. I fear for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Melanie,
Your lack for presenting reality leaves you horribly exposed as ill-informed.
“May I remind you that 9/11 was the result of eight years of Clinton turning a blind eye to terrorism.”
Clinton informed the incoming administration that Al-cia-da and Bin Laden were planning on attacking the mainland of the US. The Presidents daily briefing(PDB) headlined that exact threat to GWB and he chose to ignore it. Sec. of State, Rice stated after the 911 event(on TV no less) that they never imagined an attack of terrorist flying planes into buildings, only to have a previous PDB surface describing the very scenario. Oh, and the military exercise that was taking place at the same time as the attacks, a simulation of, again, the exact same circumstances. Who turned the blind eye?
And all those women who no longer have to cover their heads in Iraq, I mean the ones that are still alive that is, had nothing to do with 911. So all those soldiers(4000+) who were loyal and upheld their promise to obey orders from above, that died in Iraq, that was so women could show their face? I’m sorry the perversion is on those who allow our soldiers to die for the greed of others, that’s sick, really sick.
July 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Gloria,
Your fear is unfounded. The party you uphold depends on your fearing what they point and scream at. The issues in this country will only be dealt with once we all decide we’ve had enough of the corporate intrusions and control of the congress.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Simple Facts: You misinterpert what I said. Right now I don’t “uphold” either party. The only reason I voted for “McCain” was because of Palin. Our Government has change, and not for the good of the Country. I have many reasons to fear our Government - Democrat or Republican.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
In Your Hands
Being a 40’s vintage, this clip is a bit schmaltzy, but it certainly has contemporary gravitas as our friends in Washington run amok trampling the constitution. It appears some things never change.
http://vimeo.com/1048862
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July 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Melanie and Simple facts, you are both out to lunch, and that is unbelievable to me that at this late date you both still think so called “terrorists who are arab” did 9-11, when the rest of the world knows it was an inside job. Facts are out there and pretty much indisputable.
As for Bush and Clinton…. lets remember, Clinton introduced and got congress to pass the very first “terrorism laws” that began us down this road to repression. That is why they did 9-11, to complete the job under Bush who did what he was told to do. He gave us all that legislation, presidential directives, and executive orders that gutted the Constitution and Bill of Rights, SO BUSH WAS THE “SET UP MAN” and Obama is the “HAMMER OR CLOSER”…. he is taking all those things Bush passed and now using them outright.
Yup, a President once said “The ignorance of one voter threatens the security of all voters”….. and he was damn right. Unreal.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Peppered,
So you ignore all the facts I offered in my last post to you and claim I’m still wondering what happened on 911. I’m amazed you even attempted a position of an unofficial theory about who was involved in this mass-murder event. Shocking to say the least. I do not give the official story any credibility whatsoever. No need to explain anything further.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:16 am
Hi Gloria,
I based what I wrote by your position on Palin, as it was an honest assumption. But my concern was more about the idea of fear. It’s my opinion that we cause our body stress when we enter into fearful thoughts. Stress is a precursor to disease, brought into play when your body’s chemical make up is ill-at-ease from thinking negative thoughts towards your future. I was just giving you my perspective in that regard.
But I always have raised eyebrows when I hear someone holding up Mrs. Palin as an admirable candidate to run our country. Again, I’m just offering my perspective. Take care.
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Simple Facts?
I honestly do not even know where to begin with you, nor do I have the time to waste at length. I will bang off response for the high points. No need to answer since I already know what they are.
What so clearly annoys you about those who oppose your concept of the world?
Which of course you have every RIGHT to have? What DON’T you TRULY understand about the Constitution and our Bill of Rights?
Let me give you a TINY FACTUAL reference.
Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck HAVE every right to spew whatever they choose. I, YOU and ANYONE ELSE has THE RIGHT to flick the switch.
You have a problem with this system?
Most of us in the middle have enough brain power to discern what works FOR US and what does not.
I do not need YOU or the government to do any of that for me.
Are we on the same page here?
Anyone who possesses about an ounce of “common logic” KNOWS this nation has survived and thrived on the entrepreneurial ingenuity of the middle … who then rises to the top or not.
You know kinda like cream in a bucket?
Is that part of Newton’s law? You know one of these “happens every time” things the “science types” do not really understand but cherish?
Let me enlighten you to another SIMPLE FACT … you can not regulate ethics.
“The divide and conquer style is way more prevalent on the right than on the left”
You are delusional if you truly believe that or worse a victim of the propaganda machine.
Comparison between Bush and Obama? Someone already said it but let me add to that thought. If Bush governed for ANOTHER 100 years he COULD/WOULD not do worse than what Obama has done to date.
That my friend is not MY OPINION … it is SIMPLE FACT!
How did you miss that or are you biased enough to want to con us all by leaving it out?
I sincerely hope you LOVE slave garb.
Your comment to Gloria made me laugh out loud.
Pot meet kettle!
“Stress is a precursor to disease, brought into play when your body’s chemical make up is ill-at-ease from thinking negative thoughts towards your future. I was just giving you my perspective in that regard.”
Thanks for that! It did shed a lot of light on the dire economic disaster we all face … and who might or might not be the most fit to lead us.
Your assumptions (which to date do not look that sound) means?
You are close to drawing your last breath?
Your comments here show you are ramped up enough on this to stroke out.
Let me point out one tiny flaw in your perspective … rage/anger outweigh fear about 10 to 1 in the getting sick department.
Fear has enough smarts to get up and do something rather than flounder in the catatonic state of rage/anger.
I will go out on a limb and assume you get the point?
“I am perplexed why your getting so nasty with a response that most respectable forums would never allow. ”
Don’t be perplexed its a waste of your time. Somehow I do not think you are a very good judge of “respectable” and with your already “chiseled in stone” assessment of Sarah Palin on this forum … your judgment of character is even less. To carry on along those lines apparently you are totally out of touch with “the middle American” who put faith in HOPE AND CHANGE and got SCREWED AGAIN.
If you are truly in touch with the “new age rhetoric” you spouted to Gloria above (which I seriously doubt) then you are already aware of the reasons why Palin is as popular as she is … if you think that will be diminished by weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, bashing, maligning by her opposition. YOU ARE SO DEAD WRONG … LOL
That is not my opinion … IT IS cold hard fact … get use to it!
“ClinicalThinker (not)” ? … you jest of course … ROMLMAO
July 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Simple Facts: You assume a lot. I am a Christian and know where I’m going. The fear I’m referring to is the direction our Country is going and my grandchildren may not know the freedoms they are losing. I believe God is in control, but guess there is still enough fight in me to not just roll over and let it happen.
I believe Sarah Palin and I (and many other people) share these beliefs. I’m tired of most of the politicians looking for power and prestige to uplift themselves.
For someone with a lot of “stress” I’m very healthy, semi-retired (been called back to work three times), great stamina and work ethics (people half my age say they can’t keep up with me). God willing I’ll be around a few more years to help teach my grandchildren what our founding Fathers suffered and dreamed for our Country.
July 23rd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Clinically retarded,
You give me such joy! My theories on predictability of the unconscious human being was proven with exacting brilliance!. Not only have you brought me this joy of proof, I now have physical evidence of the scientific method showing that evolution is wrong and Neanderthal isn’t extinct. Yes, that was a flame ‘right back at cha’, like Sarah Palin likes to express sometimes. I’m not here to attack anyone. I try and always state when I’m opining, and when I’m relaying actual facts, and I acknowledge when I’m clearly wrong on something. These little things I do help me learn and grow in ways that are helpful in understanding life. I will admit I did learn much from our discourse here, but when the source of new information dries up, it becomes a distraction to the mind. I truly honor the right of those you mention to spew their insane poisoned mind control gibberish that stagnates the thinking of our world and creates the product of ‘enemy’. The ‘word’ will always trump the ’sword’ eventually, it’s just painful watching all the needless murdering of innocent people who’s only fault is being alive at the wrong time.
Simple fact; hate, lies, greed, lust, megalomania, control desires, and the faulty programming of the human mind produces what we know as war. As you have made it clear in your thinking, attacking someone is a right.
If I’ve made anyone here to feel they’ve been attacked, I take full responsibility and offer my apologies.
In my opinion, war, in any form, is evil as evil can be. I’m neither a Democrat, nor a Republican, just someone learning from their mistakes in life. May your day find you all in good cheer!
July 24th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Simple Facts,
“The ‘word’ will always trump the ’sword’ eventually” … in what universe do you expect this to occur? Totally Utopian thought process … I admire you for clinging to it.
It is however not functional in this very real world of “hate, lies, greed, lust, megalomania, control desires, and the faulty programming of the human mind” as you so aptly point out.
“I truly honor the right of those you mention to spew their insane poisoned mind control gibberish that stagnates the thinking of our world and creates the product of ‘enemy’.”
You give these guys a lot of credit that they are not due. It looks as though you think the mass is weak minded enough to treat them as if they were the Pied Piper. You might want to consider a Simple Behavioral Fact … most everyone views the world around them according to their own ability to deal and function. So does that mean YOU would fall sway to some guy who rants on the radio or TV 4 hours a day?
I would certainly hope not! … and if not then why the concern for the people around you? Have you fallen sway to the “societal wing nuts” who ramp up thought that the Bill O’Reilly’s of the world cause the demented to rampage?
You say you take responsibility for your actions … shouldn’t we all? Shouldn’t we all expect that from one another? Did it occur to you that those 3 talk show hosts ARE NOT dragging their audience by a nose ring but that the audience just might be skipping along WITH them? Did you ever stop and think that perhaps what you call “insane poisoned mind control gibberish” just might be your own ramped up “drama queen” perception?
I don’t know anyone who likes war … the Simple Fact? Innocent people get killed in them. Innocent people are sent to fight them. That has been the case since humanity graced this planet. It would be nice to hope for something different … it is not going to happen for a number of the reasons you mentioned.
There is a simple solution to stop war … those who vote/promote them get front line position without a flack jacket or gun. Personally I view that as a win win no matter how the cookie crumbles.
I personally was not offended by anything you said. If we all choose to be in the kitchen then we better be able to stand the heat.
It was a gracious apology so thank you
You have a great day too.
July 24th, 2009 at 5:46 am
To Terry Morris, From which dictionary you pulled the word (Irregardless from I no not.) The word does not exist in the English language. I would recomend that you as a troll,slither back beneath the rock which from you have emerged. You sir a a [expletive deleted] disgrace to humanity!
LOL! I haven’t checked on the progress of this thread in several days. I decided to this morning, and the above is what I get for my trouble. Well ain’t that just a peach.
So I’m both a troll AND a [expletive deleted] disgrace to humanity. Whoa!; and all because I used the colloquialism “irregardless,” in one or more of my posts. Somehow I think it must go much, much deeper than that, the philosophical divide between me and Gadsden Man. But I gotta tell ya, Gadsden Man, it gets a whole heap of a lot more worser than that, me and my … phraseology. Stick around a while and you’ll most absotutely see, umm, irregardless. But we can settle this behind the school at lunch if you please.
July 24th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Good for Sarah Palin.Acting on what everyone has been thinking for a while now.Americans have to really be thinking now here’s a person that couldve been vice president and by gosh she follows the Constitution!Man that throws a monkey wrench into all these Marxists plans dont they hmmm?Ron Paul and Sarah Palin are right.The United States is a republic and a republic it shall remain.Even each state has the right to a republican form of govt.
July 24th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I Like Sarah,
I will vote for her if she runs for VP or for President.
GREAT JOB Sarah for signing this - GREAT JOB!
Those who do not like it, tough it.
Those who do not like her kids names, STUFF it.
I like the names. Better than being 1 in a MILLION-GAZILLION
Debbies, or Susan, or APPLE, Orange, or other name given by some
actresses.
Sarah is in the know and I am on her side. THANK YOU SARAH for being
willing to stand the test of time and NOT be put into a MOLD!!
BO will run us into debt beyond your imagination and sell us to our enemies. GUESS WHO OWNES OUR DEBTS!!
He will vote the way of Satin and God will continue to turn his face from us.
God is ruler of all the earth and in the end God’s Will will be done.
Praise God and give him the Glory for all that is good and righteous and God Bless Sarah Palin.
July 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I am very thankful for Governor Sarah Palin. Once again she has proven her desire to protect Alaska and when she is President of the United States of America, she will protect America as she has protected Alaska.
I pray for God to bless Governor Sarah Palin, her family and every American who truly loves America and wants to keep her free.
July 26th, 2009 at 10:01 am
I have always been of the opinion, after reading “The Federalist Papers”, “US Constitution”,
Isabel Patterson’s book “The God of the Machine”, & reading everything on the websites, The Von Mises Institute/Ayn Rand Institute that this country has “STRUCTURE”. The people that designed it, built into it such a balance of power that it could never fall. They understood tyranny, czars etc. So, never loss a minute of sleep over it. The federal government’s power is peaking out at this moment.
Our real enemy in this country is not the politician but THE UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS OF PHILOSOPHY, PROFESSORS OF ECONOMICS, STATE RUN SCHOOLS. They are out to defeat reason. They are promoting MARXISM, KANTIANISM, HEGELIANISM. “Government schools are a recipe for totalitarianism.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:47 am
I see many comments about democracy and a republic. do any of you understand the difference?? Democracy is government without limits. a republic is constrained by a constitution which limits ist powers. An example of the two is a trial for murder. a republican, or common law trial would consist of a jury of true peers coming from similar circumstances. democracy is similar to a lynch mob in which everybody is in favor of the death sentance without a fair trial. The distruction of our constitution is allowing the federal governmet to operate like a lynch mob with all the uninformed rabble demanding the distruction of the country without any regards of what will happen just so long as they get get all the “freebys’ that they are (entitled to). their attitude is ) screw) anybody, who cares what will happen in a few years. AS far as the independence for Alaska it has been tried a few years ago by a man called Joe Vogler He was an advocate for independence for Alaska. He went so far to address the UN in having Alaska recognized as an inidependant nation. Three days later he was killed. kind of points out the enemy we face now in our US government. I still say can you mention anybody better suited to be president than Sarah Palin?? There are links on the net. where information about the history of Alaska can be seen, that is if any of you are interested
July 27th, 2009 at 7:37 am
This is a true story. This may or may not be relevant to some, but I thought it explained to me the true nature of many Alaskans.
In 1967 I met an elderly man in SE Alaska. He had lived in Alaska most of his adult life. He was very upset when Alaska had joined the Union to become a State. He lived on his old fishing boat, worked hard all his life and wanted to enjoy his idea of freedom. The conversation led around to him not paying any taxes to the federal govenment. I asked him how did he do that? He told me the last time he received a tax form from the Govenment, he wrote “DECEASED” on the envelope and returned it to the Post Office.
He didn’t want a hand out from the govenment in the form of SS, nor did he want to pay into the US Government. In his mind he was self-sufficient and didn’t want any “outside” help.
I think deep down, many of us feel that way. We don’t want a govenment to control all aspects of our lives. Is there a moral to this story? I have my theory, but I’ll leave others to decide on their theory.
Please (some of you) don’t try to make this into some kind of right-wing nut trying to “whatever.” Just passing along a story I found interesting.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Karl,
Frankly I can not think of anyone at this point more suitable for POTUS.
In reality the opposition KNOWS in a head to head run with ANYONE … given her own lead she would beat anyone in the field in a landslide.
I have studied behavioral psychology for years and I have to laugh out loud at the excuses that come from normally intelligent people on why they dislike/hate her. It seems there is not much between the sides. She is well liked or hated.
My observations have led me to believe the reason for dislike and hate of her is grounded in “THEY innately understand she can not be controlled by THEM” whoever the THEM with a personal agenda might be.
What the “Republican elitists” and the “Democrat out of touch ignorant” can not seem to wrap their minds around is those of us out here honestly do not care where Russia is or is not. They further do not understand how “stupid” they look claiming she does not know.
What she might not know today? … she can certainly know tomorrow. How many of you went into a job knowing how it was going to work for you or you work for it?
Look at where we are today with someone who is SUPPOSE to be highly intelligent and well educated (NO ONE KNOWS that for sure) who has set this nation back in all ways (now racially) 100 years or more … in less than 6 mos.
We are far past the point of thinking “he does not know what he is doing” … yes he does … IT IS INTENTIONAL.
Will the USA survive? Yes it will! … unfortunately it may take another revolution.
At least the sleeping giant (the middle man/woman) is beginning to wake up, take interest and MOST OF ALL scream … ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
July 28th, 2009 at 12:08 am
CT,
Your statements where you lay our current conditions at the blame of the Obama administration is unrealistic, untruthful, and smells of agenda. It’s incorrect when someone tries this blame game on just the incoming administration. All that we are experiencing can be traced back to Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush jr. Obama has merely inherited this mess, he is not the cause. People who purposely misinform the public to bolster their position are only adding to our troubles. When will the lies stop?
Solving our health insurance challenge IS one of the things that will bring this country back from the mess we face. Medical help for profit is just flat out evil. Profit is realized by denying services. Greed, disgusting greed. This isn’t a Republican or Democratic produced problem, it’s from both sides. Allowing this to continue only maintains our country’s unethical climate that destroys more families everyday. Where’s the compassion? Do you even care about the well beings of others?
Sarah Palin is a quitter that knows she can make more money selling books and at speaking engagements while her name is still hot. Her excuse why she left is so non-sensical it actually fits her perfectly and adds a realistic ending to her political career, because no smart Republican would ever conclude she is their only hope. If they did, it will prove the end of the Republican party, mark my words.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Simple Facts Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:08 am
CT,
Your statements where you lay our current conditions at the blame of the Obama administration is unrealistic, untruthful, and smells of agenda. It’s incorrect when someone tries this blame game on just the incoming administration. All that we are experiencing can be traced back to Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush jr. Obama has merely inherited this mess, he is not the cause. People who purposely misinform the public to bolster their position are only adding to our troubles. When will the lies stop?
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To answer your question, the lies will stop when people like you start to accept the truth as it is, rather than as you like it.
You slam CT for alleged partisan thinking and then you respond with partisan thinking. Not cool at all.
When you have clean hands you will be more credible.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
On July 20th Alaska passed a resolution reasserting its State Sovereignty in accordance with the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution, becoming the second state this year to do so. States are feeling the heavy hand of an over reaching Federal Government like never before.
Soverereignty [ sov-rin-tee ]
–noun, plural - ties
1.Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a sovereign or sovereign State
2.Royal rank, authority, or power
3.Complete independence and self-government
4.A territory existing as an independent State
Read the full article at: http://www.meatandpotatoes.org/Generic.aspx?PAGE=State_Sovereignty&portalName=MeatandPotatoes
July 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Simple Facts,
Deal with the words and what they mean not some added whatever … you think they MIGHT mean. I am a simple woman who talks and lives the walk.
What was it that you don’t understand about my reference to Obama and his slinging us back into the dark ages on so many levels I can not (neither can you) name them all. It is advisable to open your eyes before you meet the brick wall.
Your ideology is reminiscent of the Chomsky educated. You know the sounds good (Utopia) that does not work and WILL NEVER?
Indeed Obama inherited a mess and now it is 1000 times worse with no solution in sight. We are a gazillion dollars in debt and guess who is going to pay for all of that? YOU and your generation, your children and grandchildren. DO YOU CARE ABOUT THAT?
Health care needs reform no doubt about it … THAT IS NOT … where our society fell off the rails nor is it going to be an answer to our ills.
Do I have an agenda?
YOU BET!
Scream and shout (passion to the core) trying to STOP this clearly FASCIST take over of our nation.
It’s pretty straight forward and SIMPLE … it is quacks like a duck? Well guess what it is a duck.
I am not sure what people do not understand about the “birds of a feather syndrome”. If you are educated, choose your company, and work alongside those promoting the fascist agenda. Logic follows that you are A FLOCK MEMBER.
Your agenda is what?
Is the picture getting a little more clear for ya here? Is it beginning to dawn on you why Sarah Palin strikes a cord (MAKE NO MISTAKE THAT IS WHAT IS OCCURRING HERE) with the millions just like me who find our freedom THE MOST IMPORTANT thing in our lives?
And FINALLY someone emerging that appears to have enough strength, will and tenacity to hold on to values this country was made from? Does it take rocket science to figure out her attraction?
You are interested in simple facts? Let me lob this one your way … if Barack Obama where a full white man … he would not have EVER been considered for his spot in society today. Being half BLACK is his ONLY asset in the political playing field.
That my friend is not my opinion it is simple fact.
“Medical help for profit is just flat out evil.”
Do you have a job? Do you support yourself or are you on someones dole? Do you profit from your expenditure of time and energy? Are you also evil? Or is it ONLY the other guy making a profit that is evil?
This Utopian thought process you seem to be stuck in DOES NOT WORK.
It does not work because THERE ARE ALWAYS those who default to power over the slaves who are fool enough to get seduced into the process.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Clinical thinker, you are SOOOOOOO RIGHT, its not even funny. Palin does strike a cord, but worse, she highlights how very bad its been. Her candor, honesty, and self esteem and belief in herself and integrity screams out showing the lack of same in all our politicians.
That is why she is appealing to many on both sides of the political spectrum. She would win if she ran third party. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR EITHER OF THE TWO PARTIES, I don’t care who they put up. I am fed up with them and I will vote third party.
If she runs as a repub then I will know she sold out. There is no way they would let her run if she was as she presented. THERE IS ONLY ONE PARTY, THE NEOCON FOREIGN CONTROLLED PARTY with two wings, the repub right wing and the dem left wing of the same party. NO DIFFERENCE so the candidates will ALL WORK FOR THE BANKERS AND FOREIGN INTERESTS. Forget it.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Clinical thinker, you are SOOOOOOO RIGHT, its not even funny. Palin does strike a cord, but worse, she highlights how very bad its been. Her candor, honesty, and self esteem and belief in herself and integrity screams out showing the lack of same in all our politicians.
That is why she is appealing to many on both sides of the political spectrum. She would win if she ran third party. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR EITHER OF THE TWO PARTIES, I don’t care who they put up. I am fed up with them and I will vote third party.
If she runs as a repub then I will know she sold out. There is no way they would let her run if she was as she presented. THERE IS ONLY ONE PARTY, THE NEOCON FOREIGN CONTROLLED PARTY with two wings, the repub right wing and the dem left wing of the same party. NO DIFFERENCE so the candidates will ALL WORK FOR THE BANKERS AND FOREIGN INTERESTS. Forget it.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Racism, yes racism. Hate, yes hate. Clueless, yes clueless.
Palin, yes quitter. Not much more needed to say here. Have a nice day!
July 29th, 2009 at 3:09 am
In reply to “clueless”, have you taken a good look at what Sarah was facing?? First of all she was looking at a massive legal bill, brought on by a hatefull, unthinking political cowardly person with an agenda that could at no cost to herself use the court system to bankrupt a wonderful woman that for the first time seemed to be a breath of fresh air amid the stench of “business as usual” in State Government. I think that that persons picture should be posted everwhere so that everybody could recognize her and ostrasize her for being such a coward. Who needs such people among us? Perhaps she would feel more at home if she moved to Michigan. That seems to be where a whole lot of the “sleeze” is comong from. Unfortunately it has spread to the white house. If you doubt my words, just check the background of the creatures Obominable has brought in with him
July 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Simply Facts,
Racist? Do you know the definition of that term? Clearly not I suggest Webster as your jumping off point at self education.
Anyway that is all you focus on in the paragraphs I wrote?
Honestly I DO understand where you are coming from … I just want to point it out in case others here have missed it.
Try on COWARD and look in the mirror my friend.
Why is it that you “fascist educated” try to cloak yourselves as ordinary middle of the road thinking folks?
Without knowing you AT ALL other than reading your comments I can deduct you are probably young (under 30) … have never run your own SUCCESSFUL business that employed anyone but yourself and more than likely not even that.
Your “pseudo high minded” reality remains that way as long as YOU do not have to toil to make your idealistic utopia come to fruition (oh gee you sound like our government today … oh gee in fact you sound like our government for the last 20 years or so).
You are not educated (street wise) to do anything other than declare others stupid, racist, liars if they do not agree with your mindset.
You have every right to say and believe what you will … in fact I can respect and admire someone who does just that no matter what side of the fence they are on.
However you have chosen to start a battle with “pea shooter arguments” when someone is pointing and willing to use “bazooka reality/logic” on you. I do see you are at least smart enough to duck and RUN!
You want to discuss an issue?
Then do so.
I have given you ample opportunity to respond to a myriad of questions which you have chosen to ignore.
People who run from fights, skirmishes and truth they do not want to face or explore ARE WHAT I CALL COWARD! I could come up with a number of other legitimate nouns for you but I guarantee you would not like them any better.
Thanks
I ALWAYS have a nice day same to you.
July 29th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Hey Prophit,
It is nice not to mention inspirational to know there is indeed someone on the political scene who is not a total sell out for their own agenda.
Don’t you just love how the trees of her opponents get seriously torqued with the mention of her name? … lol
Certainly an indicator of the fear she strikes in their heart for simply being out there.
Karl,
You are right whoever files these charges and loses should be punished … in fact making them fully responsible for the financial damages they cost would be a start. People faced with their OWN POVERTY would certainly think twice before trumping up some frivolous charge.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Sarah Palin is a hollow suit. She lies, (”I was against the bridge to nowhere”), she’s hypocritical concerning family values, she sent the town of Wasilla she was mayor into heavy debt and her description of the Republican Party, ” The party with the right agenda”, shows her emptiness. 5 colleges in 6 years for a BA! Her approval rating dropped 30+ points for Alaskans once they began actually hearing her LIE! As a mother she dropped the ball and ended up being a grandmother with an out of wedlock daughter. Christians have some answering to do to their “God”. If you’ve forgiven her, then I guess that’s ok. We all make mistakes. But ‘God” doesn’t like quitters, so I’m not sure how the wrath of that Supreme Being will pan out. Locust? Naw, not in Alaska. Hey, how about drilling for oil in the land sanctuaries, oh wait, she already tried that. Well I’m sure there’s something the almighty will conjure up.
My age: 4, graduated high school, in business for self and hire people as work dictates. Seeing how you missed all these points you thought about me, it would seem logical that your quite off about many of your statements.
I can’t wait till Palin finishes that book deal she signed to do. You know the one that would of not happened if she faded into the background amongst all the allegations of her miss handling her position as Governor of Alaska, the citizens losing faith in her(polls) and the fact she never “never got back atcha” to Katie Couric with the name of those magazines she reads.
It’s a bright shiny day, go out and enjoy the sun!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:32 am
“Sarah Palin is a hollow suit.”
1. Your opinion … your right to it … it can be discounted as irrelevant and not “Simple Facts”
“She lies, (”I was against the bridge to nowhere”)”
2. You have data where she advocated the “bridge to nowhere”?
If so present it then I will consider if she lied … I do not need your interpretation of lie.
“she’s hypocritical concerning family values,”
3. Again your opinion … the term is subjective and we have all clearly seen your definition of a lot of things are pretty far left field and fraught with “drama queen” expansion. From your comments I could say the same of you and make it really stick … you like being a “POT”?
“she sent the town of Wasilla she was mayor into heavy debt”
4. Point me to the data.
So you consider the debt left to Obama and him adding to it to the tune of what 2 trillion equally a failure also? Don’t forget we are working on YOUR OWN hypocrite scale here.
“and her description of the Republican Party” “The party with the right agenda”, shows her emptiness.
5. My my you are indeed judgmental … I certainly hope you do not live in a glass house … why do I think you do and it is shattered to shards at your feet?
“5 colleges in 6 years for a BA”
6. I know AT LEAST 4 - women clients (all extremely successful today) who have taken 20 years to get masters and doctorates while raising their families in the process. Your personal problem with all of this is WHAT EXACTLY?
My point is kudos for each of them who took on the challenge and rode to success.
“Her approval rating dropped 30+ points for Alaskans once they began actually hearing her LIE”
7. You know FOR A FACT and CAN PROVE her points dropped because people thought she lied? Why do I think you LIE?
“As a mother she dropped the ball and ended up being a grandmother with an out of wedlock daughter.”
8. Careful now your are getting dangerously close to crashing off that pedestal you have built for yourself … how did you get up there anyway?
“Christians have some answering to do to their “God”. If you’ve forgiven her, then I guess that’s ok.”
9. You guess its okay? I absolutely LOVE YOU … you make me laugh out loud … you hold what position in life to determine what is okay or not?
So my friend now we are down to the brass tacks of your TRUE BITCH … her moral, ethical, Christian belief?
You lose!
Debate over!
You just negated your whole argument by interjecting your own negative Christian bias in who and what Sarah Palin is and why she is or is not popular.
“But ‘God” doesn’t like quitters”
You would know this how?
We all make mistakes.
Thank GOD! … for a moment I thought you thought YOU WERE PERFECT … a glimmer, a tiny one but still a glimmer of hope (the right kind) for you my friend. I would hate to think that Mt. Everest had to be overcome before you could start a path to the middle ground where most of us are already struggling to keep this nation in tact.
“so I’m not sure how the wrath of that Supreme Being will pan out. Locust? Naw, not in Alaska. Hey, how about drilling for oil in the land sanctuaries, oh wait, she already tried that. Well I’m sure there’s something the almighty will conjure up.”
Wow … do you have any idea how fragmented your thought process ACTUALLY IS?
I have a fairly eclectic thought process myself but you are giving me whiplash … not to mention making me wade through what is FACT what is MINDLESS RANT or IGNORANCE in order to respond.
You need to get your emotions under control if you are going to join in the fray on these message boards … didn’t they teach you in debate the cardinal rule?
When ANGER takes over YOU LOSE?
“My age: 4, graduated high school, in business for self and hire people as work dictates.”
My mistake I figured you were at least 13 … but upwardly mobile … GOOD FOR YOU!
I applaud your success so far.
No college? … well “POT” … AGAIN what exactly is your criticism of Sarah Palin for GETTING her degree in 6 years?
“Seeing how you missed all these points you thought about me, it would seem logical that your quite off about many of your statements.”
No my dear MY POINT was to show it was likely you were NOT someone who ran a SUCCESSFUL business where you employed a number of others on a daily basis. You just cleared up why you do not have a clue … why/how your favorite guy is crushing the livelihoods of EVERYONE … EVEN YOU.
So what hand out do you expect from this particular Obama regime?
Your mortgage paid? Free gas in your tank?
WELL! fart in a jar!
July 30th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Hi!
Wow! You make me important in this issue. I feel special. It’s not about me. Hello, it’s not about me!
Don’t get me wrong, I applaud Sarah Palin. She knows where the moneys at. Definitely not at the lousy position of Alaska’s Governor. Dumping that downer of a job helped her clear up her road to the riches! Her sworn oath to serve out her term as an elected official was quickly tossed aside to get to her money pot. As a lame duck governor(what in the world!), she would be powerless. Wait, let me address this, …. uh, um, what the hell is that supposed to mean? Does she understand what she sounds like? Oh yeah, she doesn’t care, I forgot about that bit.
Listen, this isn’t about me. Trying to shoot the messenger doesn’t change the message! Anything I wrote about Sarah Palin is readily available to anyone with a computer. But I am flattered you think I’m important, even if it’s not about me. Do I look fat in this outfit?
July 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
“Hello, it’s not about me!”
OH MY GOSH! we agree on one thing at least.
You did get the part IT IS ABOUT people of your ilk who use their own personal agenda to attack/malign others (literally over trivia) … because their own mindset is opposed?
You were just someone who leaped in the middle of this as the “perfect example”. There ya go … don’t get a swelled head “perfect example” is quantum leaps from “perfect”.
So I for one THANK YOU
It is not often someone is so at hand to make a point.
Wake up! Don’t you realize you display the flaws in your own character by making decisions about others and voicing them the way you do? UNFAIRLY! Under the faux guise of Simply Facts.
SHAME ON YOU!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Well now, my user name says, “Simple Facts”, not, “Trivia Facts”. I posted simple facts that are readily available and widely acknowledged as accurate about Sarah Palin. My personal opinion was either in parenthesis, or I addressed it separately. You’re pattern of constantly sidestepping these documented facts then attacking my character emphasize you’re position here.
Of course now you’ll say that you’ve gone over all the items I’ve stated and I’m as naked as a jay-bird, exposed as some kookmeyer-nut job, trolling sites like this to spew worthless, anti-Sarah propaganda. I don’t think Sarah Palin’s a bad person. In my opinion, she’s just an average politician that had the spotlight for a moment and now she’s on her way to cash in. I’m only using common sense, reason and logic to come to this personal opinion I’m sharing with others. Not once have I lied about Mrs. Palin. My opinion shouldn’t effect you, but the facts should. Yet you have it set that your goal is to ridicule me and distract from the simple facts.
My opinion is not a fact that is to be disputed. Only the facts are worthy of being disproved or acknowledged. Let the facts that are provable be held up as the cause of our opinions. The spin factor need not be considered in the course of getting to the truth.
Just leave my character out of the equation and add up those provable truths. What you allow yourself to be delusional about speaks of your nature. Simple facts, not fuzzy obscure items. Just the facts. The messenger is not in the conclusion, only the facts. Stay on target. Aim for the truth. Truth is where the facts dwell. Simple facts. Very simple. Oh so simple. Just facts. Facts, facts facts.
Also, you didn’t answer if I looked fat in this outfit.
August 4th, 2009 at 1:53 am
I read with interest all the comments about Palin. I wonder how “pure” all these people are that “throw stones” at her. Watching the national news channels, or should I say the political mouth pieces do what they can to make her look bad, I would think that she has the establishment rather worried. The only other candidate that has been treated so badly was Allen Keyes. He also threatened to upset the program that was being used to destroy the whole makeup of our country.
In my humble oppinion, Sarah is still the best person to perhaps make the changes we so desperately need to rescue us from the disterous thing that is taking place due to Obominble and his crew of outright treasonous individuals propelling us into total distruction. If you have any doubts as to what I say, just look into the background of his choices of the tzars who will have unlimited powers, such as the comizars used by Stallin in his control Russia.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:36 am
No one was treated worse than Ron Paul - laughed at on stage by people in his own party - for promoting the Constitution.
That’s the state of the 2 criminal parties in D.C. - they find your liberty, and the constitution - to be their enemy. It gets in the way of all their plans.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Hey Karl,
You are right about the bad rap foisted on Palin. However that has been the tactics used by the far left now for about 10 years when the Dems guy Clinton stood before the world and said “I never had sex with THAT WOMAN” … the world at that time stood by and ALLOWED HIM TO BLATANTLY LIE without kicking up much of a fuss.
Is it actually a surprise MOST ALL politicians today simply stand before us and lie?
That is why Palin is popular … people DO NOT BELIEVE she lies. Her opposition dislikes her because she is a THREAT to their equilibrium NOT because she is incompetent.
Our own “Simple Facts” aptly painted himself/herself into a corner demonstrating this totally unacceptable behavior.
These snarky tactics have been used since Hitler and probably before to convince the mass they should be against someone or a group. I always wondered why the Jews simply allowed themselves to be loaded into box cars and rolled to the ovens with little or no fight. And why the German people just let it happen.
An atheist on a forum not long ago asked who do you blame in that mess. Hitler and his minions or the people who stood idle and watched it happen. The answers and reasons were interesting to say the least.
Here today with this nation? … there are large segments of the population who simply can not wrap their minds around … this could be happening here.
I heard someone say a long time ago … “there is nothing more dangerous than a man who believes he is free”. That “it can’t happen to us … HERE just might be a mindset that dooms us ALL to slavery again.
The far left and right have met in their own middle … it would be wise for those of us in the TRUE middle to start focusing on “The Constitution” and fighting FOR IT against ALL WHO ARE AGAINST IT.
BEWARE many of those who are against it SWEAR THEY ARE FOR IT!
EDUCATION is key to knowing who is who … how long has it been since you read our Constitution and boned up on the Bill of Rights?
The framers knew what they were doing and those who blatantly go against “The Constitution” are traitors to this country.
August 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Michael,
It more than gets in the way of their plans it DERAILS THEM!
August 11th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I guess I should offer up my most sincere, and pointedly right on topic, (when discussing your beloved idea of a ‘real person’ that should be in charge of our extremely complicated country), courteously stifled laughter after Palin’s completely, sick-minded, inaccurate version of Obama’s ‘Healthcare/Insurance Reform’ she posted on her Facebook page.
I’m amazed that she feels so normal being a voice for thoughts that only could be from a deranged mind. Holy-cow! She’s sick, twisted and bad for the mind.
Let’s hear your worthless empty reply’s form into a rant about me and how I don’t know what I’m talking about, Blah, Blah, Blahhhh. How I don’t even know her. Well, I know her by her work. Simple facts.
It is what it is- when,- ANYONE- with the ability to decipher her baseless/clueless, hate/fear/dividing speeches that enter the discussion- she’s completely wrong, out of touch, disturbed, money/fame chasing, unworthy to be called a decent human being. This woman is unbalanced in her faculties and doesn’t deserve any attention- WHATSOEVER!
She’s not intelligent, but she is smart-smart enough to know how to get to the big money, she’s in logical discussions only when you discuss how illogical she is, her biggest fan-Glen Beck-now that says it all right there.
The only time she will get press is when she says/does something so wrong it makes a news article. The dumb-downed Americans are the only ones that cling to her. Why? Are they waiting for her to shoot their other foot off, the one leftover after voting for Bush twice. That is crazy-world. If your a supporter, and I will fight for your right to believe whatever you deem proper for you-till the end of time-Ask yourself this question, how does she form these ideas? What type of mind formulates false impressions that will purposely be designed to incite you into a reality distorted vision, where you help her party destroy your families hopes for better healthcare, enslave your children’s minds, descending you and your family into poverty of all sorts. What kind of person creates a focus on something that is so against a better world, and she only is doing this for the money.
That’s right, the money.
Look forward and help guide discussions that build, not tear down society.
My sharp tongue speaks words that you may find offensive.
Harsh words are necessary when life needs you to wake up.
Research critically, those you wish to help lead.
Take no others word to become your words without first creating a logically based reason for doing so.
Speak up and be heard when it’s your turn to speak, become part of your community that guides in ways that are clear and transparent.
Do the best you can in raising your children. Having a child grow up and become programmed by the world’s greedy, uncaring, materialistic sociopaths, that are constantly fighting for the right to program your child’s mind, will leave you and your child’s true being with a stagnant and non-evolving spirit.
Spirit being the true reality of our existence.
Make your mind into a reasoning, thinking, knowledge-based tool for the growth and health of your spiritual self.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
I know there’s still some back and forth here - seems like this discussion has gone a bit overboard. Maybe pick up some new conversation on today’s news? Alabama is now considering a sovereignty resolution too. See the article here:
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/08/11/alabama-to-consider-sovereignty-under-the-10th-amendment/
August 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Critically Thinking wrong (yet again, sigh…)
You proudly stick your Reagan-era USA flag in the sand and scream this….(my emphasis),
“EDUCATION is key to knowing who is who … how long has it been since you read our Constitution and boned up on the Bill of Rights?
The framers knew what they were doing and those who blatantly go against “The Constitution” are traitors to this country.”
OK, remember this part…”All men are created equally”… you know, the Framers wrote that in between going down to the docks and picking out some fresh new slaves from the latest shipment from Africa. Our Framers aren’t all that when it comes to talking the talk, and walking the walk.
Our Constitution is TRULY one of the greatest works ever to emerge from humankind. It’s not a perfect document. We amend it as new realities in our society advance. It’s a living growing base for human-created laws, the laws meant for humans. The laws of Creation/Universe are the natural laws that haven’t any need, nor can they, be changed. A flower will always be a flower in its untouched lifetime. It is perfectly living within those unchangeable laws of Creation. Not until humans, and their illogical laws, try and re-write nature for the flower, will the flower then become confused. Basing your position so blindly in something humans created and have deemed, “Perfect! Touch it and die!”, is stagnant( temporary writers block with the ’stagnant’ part[but you get the point]) and so outdated. HaHaHa!…remember this one-hit wonder, “America, love it or leave it!”.
Those of you who so profess their allegiance in a ‘blinded to reality state’, are serving our country just like TPTB need, blinded faith. But you love your country….
…and this Palin part is also, well, excuse me for chuckling, very hilarious…
” … people DO NOT BELIEVE she lies. “- Yeah, they don’t believe, they know!!!!
And the idea of bringing up the horrors of Hitler’s regime into the discussion is disgusting. Pure smear tactics to associate someone who has nothing whatsoever to do with those evils, zero-reality based.
Analyzed overall, what life destroying rock did you slime out of…. this mind of yours is sick, really sick. Or it has a really good paycheck and your just another sociopath. Hey, you might even have more than one mouth to feed, well, at least one really big one.
These are the noises of a tool when you hear the lines, “…they’re destroying our constitution…!!!”, or the worn, “..just like the Nazi’s”, and such. The job they do is called ‘Shilling’. The Republican Noise Machine Head ‘Shill’, would be someone like Rush Limbaugh, just for your clarity. You may have an even better name for these creepy types.
I see them as sell-outs. Of course this is just IMO….
I understand your only human, try and learn from your mistakes….(it’s how we grow…shhh!! it’s a sekrit)…. have a nicer day everyone!
Do I look fat in this outfit?
August 11th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Just saw your last post Michael, will do.
August 17th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I would love to see a resolution at the state level to “opt out” of mandated health reform, cap and tax, and forced unions. The federal government has completely trampled not only state laws, but personal freedom. As a small business owner, we are confronted with countless hours of work and money to comply with all the madness. Can’t government get out of our way? I don’t ask the government for bailouts and don’t expect one. It is way past time for people to rely more on their own merits and not expect those in power to “level” the field.
Or how about I personally opt out. I will pay my fair share of taxes for security of our nation and the powers granted by the constitution. Keep your social security and medicare. I don’t mind helping those who truly need help, I give back to our community and do not need someone telling me it’s not quite enough. I find it interesting that progressives praise Darwin, but can’t live by their own ideology (seatbelt laws, wear your helmet, etc.)
I truly hope that states begin to bring the constitution back ino balance. I applaud Sara Palin on taking the first step.
August 20th, 2009 at 2:29 am
When I see how Sarah Palin has been treated by the “Media”, I can understand the mixed feelings of some of the people posting their comments on this link. You have to remember that the “news outlets” are only the vocal part of the leftists engaged in bringing down our wonderful USA.
To knowingly twist facts in order to brodcast a complete lie concerning a person that doesn’t fit their agenda borders on treason. After all the press is given freedom to discover and tell the truth about things that are going on without changing things to fit what ever their own feelings are. In fruth the media has almost attained priesthood status. Look back through history and see what priests have done to other nations and empires. NOT GOOD.
When a person is entered into office he or she is sworn to uphold and defend the constitution against all enemys foreign and domestic.
Wouldn’t you think that to disobay that duty would be outright treason??
How many of those Loons in the Federal Governmet could be found not guilty in a treason trial?? Remember it only takes the sworn testamony of three people to convict.
Watching what is going on in DC reminds me of Alice in Wonderland, unfortunately it’s really happening to us. Just a bunch of Mad Hatters in power right now.
August 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The only treason-leaning politicians in Washington are blue dog Democrats and Republicans. And to say poor Palin is being mistreated by the LEFT LEANING MEDIA is completely false. She makes great headlines for her constant blunders and pure nonsensical statements. The media is corporately controlled and will say whatever makes them more money, period. Let’s not be blind to the obvious.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am
In looking over all the comments on this link, I can see that a lot of people havn’t really studied history. What I am looking at is similar to the downfall of the Roman Empire. We have a large mercinary army scattered around the world, at great cost. Juat take a look at what is happening in South Korea. The distruction of the farms. How much of farmland is being covered by blacktop to accomidate shopping malls?? Take a look at the whores in congress. For those of you extoling “Slick Willy” or should I say Clinton who sold the the Chinese Communists our satalite controll secrets. We now have Navy Captains depending on satalite navigation. What happens when China shoots down the satalites??.
Not one of them understands celestial navigation. That would also disable our cruise missels.
As far as the difference between the two political partys. You can dump them into a bag, and when you dump them out, you couldn’t tell the difference between them. They would all smell and act the same way.
As for Sara Palin, I am not to sure, she seems to follow the same support for the isralie program as creatures such as Huckleberry, and other candidates accepting funding from the bankers.
But still and all. she stil seems to be the best choice to vote for.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:33 am
As far as the legality of the federal government stopping the states from declaring sovereignty, take a look at the constitution. It states that the federal government shall not make war atgainst the states, period.
Now tell me that the civil war was a legal thing caused by Lincoln. After all the first shots fired were in Virginia after Lincoln sent federal troop in there to quell an uprising against federal intervention in states operations. It was not at Fort Sumter as has been written in out twisted history books.
If you take a really good look at what is happening in our country right now, can you tell me who was the right side to win the war??
September 1st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Perhaps its time for “we the people” to STOP ACCEPTING a vote for the best of the worst and DEMAND a vote for the best of the best.
As long as 51% of the population has a hand out, is history illiterate, fails to use at LEAST the common sense of a gnat, feels the government is better equipped to think for them and is to lazy to get off their duff and fight for the freedom offered by our forefathers … things will continue to get worse.
It is actually fairly comical because that 51% will suffer the most.
Those who saw it coming will at least be prepared.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:29 am
Simple Facts:
Don’t you wish the REST OF THE world was as interested in what you think/say as they are in Sarah Palin?
You make me laugh out loud … how much watching Keith Olbermann did it take to brain wash you?
God gave you a mind to free think … be WISE use it for that!
Being a parrot is not becoming!