The New King George
29. Jun, 2009 
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by Rob Natelson
In Washington, D.C. a group presents the Secretary of Education with a 120,000-signature petition asking the federal government to fund an effort to require every public school student in the country to take courses the group favors.
In Montana, activists flood the newspapers with letters urging that Congress force all Americans into a single government-run health care system.
In California, state officials lobby the U.S. Treasury to force the rest of us to guarantee short-term California debt so the state can balance its budget without correcting decades of overspending.
None of these demands would make sense even in the best of times. Public education is most effective when funding and other decisions are local. Giving more power to the same government that created the health care mess will raise costs further, and costs will drop only when government largely withdraws from the health care marketplace. Handing a state “free money” will not induce that state to get its fiscal house in order.
But these are not the best of times. Taxpayers are already struggling with a serious recession. The federal budget is trillions in deficit. When you see people promoting such ideas now, you have to wonder at the depths of human stupidity and greed.
As a professor of constitutional law, I also wonder at the depths of human ignorance. Do these people know anything about how our Constitution is supposed to work? Did they ever learn about federalism and the Constitution’s limits on government power? Do they know what freedom is?
Many of the people who now want to give the federal government life-and-death health-care power over 300 million Americans were hugely upset at how that same government treated a handful of foreign combatants at Guantanamo. Do they ever make the connection?
Welcome to twenty-first century America – where federal politics is largely centered on a single question: How much can the stupid and greedy plunder from their hardworking, productive neighbors?
History does not repeat itself, but history often sings variations on the same tune. Consider one historical variation: The American Revolution.
Some history books say that the Revolution occurred when the “Americans” rebelled against the “British” because the “British” insisted on plundering the “Americans.” But that’s not exactly what happened.
Before the Declaration of Independence, Americans and British were subjects of the same Crown. They were all fellow-citizens.
King George III and the politicians in control of the British ministry wanted to increase the number of people getting benefits from government. Their idea was to create new classes of dependents that would be properly grateful to them.
But because the British government was deeply in debt, there wasn’t much money available. So the politicians hit upon the idea of taxing American businesses and consumers to raise the revenue they needed to swell the government payroll.
The resulting struggle was not purely between America and Britain. Some Americans were on the royal payroll, or hoped to be, or were dependent on others who were. These “Tories” firmly supported the London politicians, and some of them fought and killed their fellow Americans.
But among the British people there were many who sympathized with the colonists. Merchants trading with America knew they would bear much of the new tax burden, so they sympathized with the revolutionists.
Many perceptive Englishmen understood that a government that could freely loot productive people to support political dependents was a real threat to freedom. Together, pro-American Brits employed political pressure to help our side win.
In other words, the “American Revolution” was largely a civil war – a war among fellow-citizens. That is why most of the American Founders declared Independence with such regret. The Declaration of Independence speaks sorrowfully of “our British brethren.”
Some leading Founders, such as John Dickinson and Robert Morris, actually opposed Independence because it broke their hearts to go to war against fellow citizens (although after the decision was made, both Dickinson and Morris rendered great service to the American cause).
Those of us who are outraged at how the federal government treats hardworking, productive people are right to be outraged. We are right to want to rein in the politicians and bureaucrats.
But politicians and bureaucrats are not the whole problem. To a considerable degree, they are responding to the demands of the folks who insist that our debt-laden government spend billions more, or that the federal government assume command of our health care and our local schools.
People who make such demands may mean well. King George and at least some of his ministers meant well, too – but the effect of their policies was a war against millions of their most productive fellow-citizens, and eventually, the loss of those citizens from the British Empire.
Whatever the motivations of those who seek to use the federal government against the rest of us, they too have launched an unbridled and unprincipled political war against their fellow citizens.
From the perspective of history, in other words: They are the new King George.
Rob Natelson is Professor of Law at The University of Montana, and a leading constitutional scholar. (See www.umt.edu/law/faculty/natelson.htm.) His opinions are his own, and should not be attributed to any other person or institution.
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The funny thing about militia groups is that they are “kind of” anti-government in the sense that they are pro-liberty and pro-constitution, but the government is anti-constitution and pro-self. So, it is easy for the government to smear militia groups and marginalize them. But I think they should not allow themselves to be marginalized this way. They need a public image clean-up. Guys who are into guns are not the shirt and tie crowd, and are often ex-soldiers and dress accordingly. But if you are going to “serve and protect” then you need to look and play the part, and not lend credence to government smear campaigns that militia groups are necessarily whacko. In reality, it is the mainstream media that is whacked out. They are comfortable with “big government” and totally unwilling to conceive of the idea that government’s incremental encroachment on our reserved state’s rights can only sooner or later reduce us to slavery. The new administration’s 20 czar’s in 5 months should scare anyone and everyone. Yet, not a peep from the liberal media. Anyway, I am actively encouraging militia groups to go public and be visible.
Patrick,
You might also explore the Committees of Safety:
http://www.committeesofsafety.org/about-us/
Larry,
If you don’t know the facts of the case, I’m definitely not going to offer my opinion on the facts beyond what I’ve already stated. There are books and You Tube video documentaries and everything else available on the subject of Ruby Ridge. Check it out and tell me what you think.
Okay, my computer wasn’t registering any of the comments concerning Ruby Ridge when I wrote my last comment. But, now that this can of worms has been opened, let me make a few statements. First, PHL has a couple of facts wrong — (1) the son that shot back was 14 yrs. old and was shot and killed by the federal agent while retreating. In other words, he was shot in the back. (2) the firearms violation concerned a sawed-off shotgun that a federal agent instructed Weaver to cut off. In other words, Weaver didn’t just simply cut the barrel off at some random length that just happened to violate federal gun law at the time, he was told, by a federal agent infiltrator, what length to cut it. Now, ignorance of the law may not be an excuse, but that is just a set-up, pure and simple. And why? What threat did this lone individual, way off to himself in the mountains of Idaho, possibly pose to the all-powerful federal government?
Also, the sniper that killed Vicki was at Waco. Hmm.
I spent some time reading about Ruby Ridge. I have to say that there is quite a bit of controversy..
Terry,
Randy Weaver testified that the Agents shortened the barrel themselves, not that he shortened it at their request. But then, this is just splitting hairs.. the fact is, is that there seemed to be a lot of inept people, from the mix up by the court clerk with the court dates, to the judge refusing to quash the bench warrant. not to mention the lack of communication between weaver and his Attorney, also the rules of engagement with respect to the operation… it’s one big, giant mess… that said I would like to give my opinion…
First, you cannot associate with people who are clearly at odds with the law and expect to be overlooked. “Intent” aside, you are who you associate with, this is an obvious given, right or wrong, it is fact and there is no way around it.. Randy Weavers intent was to move out of the mainstream, but the minute he associated himself with the Aryans, he was now “good as one”. His neighbor whom he had the dispute with that wrote letters to the feds making his claims would have fallen on deaf ears had Randy Weaver simply avoided associating with the Aryans in the first place.
If we want to be taken seriously, we have to distance ourselves from groups that advocate illegal activity, namely the established groups that promote violence and hate. these groups scare the public and a scared public runs to the government for protection..Not only that, they serve no useful purpose other then to agitate and create a negative environment that we have to operate in.
Our focus should be on educating the public, and winning people over by sound logic, the history of our Country, and our desire to return our nation back to it’s rightful place. Randy weaver, while his intent was was good, simply allowed himself to be lulled into a situation he had no business being in. Innocent? to be sure, but even the Innocent has to have enough smarts to avoid becoming a victim.
Ha, ha.
Look: I have a large family by today’s standards. All of my children are homeschooled. All of my children have a gun and know how to properly and safefly operate it. Am I a nut by the fed’s standards? Of course I am. End of story.
I just read the articles posted above by Highlander Juan.
I am reposting them at the end of this article. Edwin Vierra holds four degrees from Harvard, including a a Phd and a JD. He has argued and won three important cases before the U.S. Supreme court. I believe he is a law professor in Alabama, but I may be mistaken about this. Here is his bio. http://www.vlrc.org/authors/105.html
He argues in the first article below that Homeland Security was never intended for Islamic extremists, but for normal Americans. He argues (back in 2005) that the “Establshment” has known that the bank crisis and economic crash were inevitible, and thus put DHS in place to keep order, even to the point of suspending the Constitution, etc. Basically, he argues that the militia is absolutely necessary to maintain a free state and that it alone will prevent us from being reduced to slaves when the roof falls in. He is a man of emmanent credentials and perpiscuitity (like that big word?). I have to believe him. The Patriot Act was first proposed by Clinton, but was rejected by a Republican congress. Bush put the same bill through after 9/11. The very fact that it was in the works under Clinton shows it really had little to do with Islamic terrorist. People, we are systematically being reduced to slavery by our own government. I think Vierra’s call to re-start the militia is spot on. I hope you will read the articles and act accordingly.
HOMELAND SECURITY” — FOR WHAT AND FOR WHOM?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin.htm
VISIONS FROM A CRYSTAL BALL
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin195.htm
LEXINGTON GREEN, APRIL 19, 2009
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin194.htm
All you have to know is America is around #38, #1 being the best health care in the world.
Cuba has less infant deaths than the USA does…. Read More
Between 90,000 and 100,000 people die A YEAR in AMERICA due to medical errors.
ALL OTHER CIVILIZED COUNTRIES have Universal Health care, and MOST give better health care then the USA
Americans pay more and get less than countries with Universal Health care
What more do Americans need to know to make them get their heads out of their butts.
Watch SICKO, like recommended in the third or fourth comment, those aren’t actors.
Also, ask ANYONE on Congress, “How’s your SOCIALIZED Health care?
Corey — Rev. in disguise?
Btw, Corey, something’s obviously wrong with your “cap lock” button on your keyboard. It keeps getting hung up on “race,” and “hate,” and “slavery”, and so forth. Umm, wait!, that’s a whole ‘nother discussion.
Corey,
Give me one example of a government program here at home that actually works, and I’ll sign on to the health care train. Also, give one example of another countries Health care that is superior to ours, and that works and I’ll sign on to that.
Cuba is also decades behind in living standards.
What is your source for the 90 to 100k of deaths?..
All other “civilised countries ration their health care.. meaning if your ailment might not be covered..could be you are too old.
Heads out of butts?? hardly.. how about weening off of the government teat? you ready to wear big boy pants yet? and be responsible for your own well being? or do you need Uncle sammy to take care of poor you?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777069922535499977
Speech Reagan made in 1964. Get a beer and pull up a chair.
Great website and discussion here, glad I found it.
LARRY: The USA is number 37 or 38, number 1 being the best, when it comes to countries and their health care.
Medicade, Medicare, VA, SS, ALL work when the US gov doesnt steal from them.
TERRY MORRIS: When I speak, I am VERY ANIMATED (lol), so I tend to type the SAME WAY
Corey,
I found the source of your information stating the ranking of the US.http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
“The World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task”
This means it’s not as cut and dried as you would like to assume. Also, did you happen to see where France rated?.. have you ever studied the French economy or their tax structure?.. Are you willing to be taxed at 60%? ( and it’s going up ) because thats the tax rate in France.
Also, your statement that “Medicaid, Medicare, VA, SS, ALL work when the US gov doesn’t steal from them.” proves my point., how do you know they work? when government has always run them?
every one of those programs are a dismal failure, and you want to implement another one? where is the logic behind that little beauty?
Back to your source- did you notice where Canada ranks?, Canada is much closer to our way of life and Standard of living then any of the above Countries, study the Canadian Health care system, it’s a train wreck. People are dieing in Canada because of waiting lists, and the rationing of health care by government ( and they only have 38 million citizens! compared to our 300 million!)
I am not in favor of giving up my independence, or my right to choose, in favor of latching on to the federal government teat as my source of healthcare. Granted the health care is broken, but the answer isn’t just rolling over, I don’t think you understand how government implements programs, if you did you wouldn’t be so quick to jump on board. Paying the Federal health care isnt going to be based on some sort of honor system Corey, it will be paid like your federal income tax, screw up your health care tax, and you get the full weight of the IRS coming down on you. whether you can afford it or not, it will be paid.
LARRY:
The “government” wouldnt be running the health care, they would be paying for it.
Keep in mind we are already paying for it…as Bush suggested…just walk into a emergency room.
And NO, it is NOT only illegal immigrants that don’t have insurance, the 47+ million are Americans.
If we were to have the BEST health care, we would use Socialized health care. Socialism is “We the People” NOT “We the Government”.
AS for fear of rationing health care, that already happens, watch SICKO, do your own research, you will find MANY people who are sick that are refused treatment even if they have treatment.
Now, “cap and trade”…no not THAT “cap and trade” but I wanted to make another point.
Look into Christopher Reeves health care situation. He was cut off after he reached a “cap” aka the amount the insurance company will cover if you get sick.
Robin Williams paid for the rest, until Reeves died.
“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
ps…you are the enemy of the US government.
Always keep in mind, the US gov thinks of you as cannon fodder!
Corey, you have been indoctrinated into statism. You listen to liberal(statist) sources and you believe everything they say. But liberals (statists) don’t deal with Facts & Reality. They manipulate people like you by means of lies, propaganda, & psychological conditioning. With all due respect to you as a fellow human who is made in the image of God, your comments reveal a profound ignorance.
Are you going to let them get away with this? Why not discover within yourself some intellectual independence? Start checking out other sources of information. Listen to Rush Limbaugh. Go to the Heritage Foundation website and study. Read the lead articles and comments on this website. Get a pocket copy of the Declaration of independence and the U.S. Constitution. Read them! They are both short and easy to understand. Open your mind, read, think! Best wishes. If you have questions about what you learn, there is no lack of people who are willing to assist you.PH
Well,the way I see it is that the club of States called america have gone through 4 stages: colony 1600s to 1776, independence 1776 to 1789, union 1789 to 1861, and despotism 1865 to present. I know we all like to read about the 9th and 10th amendments but the Constitution was nullified by the lincoln administration on April 15 1861.The only power that could have kept the federal govt.within it’s Constitutional bounds,the threat that States would withdraw from the union(thus beyond federal power) was eliminated by force in the War between the States.
Corey,
Government operates by method of coercion, Example: Roads.. the feds( meaning we the people ) pay for certain road projects and the states operate under the federal guidelines, if they refuse to follow the feds rules the money gets cut off so technically, you are correct, there wont be a federal health care facility, BUT the health care facilities will be running under the rules and regs of the fed. it makes no difference who is dealing the cards when the game is dictated by the federal government.
Now for some explanations…..
“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice,(MEANING WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS) insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense(COMMON DEFENSE MEANING THE FEDS FORM A MILITARY THOUGH THE STATES CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE NATION ), promote the general welfare,( PROMOTING GENERAL WELFARE DOES NOT MEAN HEALTH CARE, THE WORD PROMOTE, AND PROVIDE DO NOT MEAN THE SAME ) and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
The way the country is supposed to operate is like this: we 50 States are individually sovereign, we have the right to pass laws, and function independently from the Federal government and each other. each state should be unique in it’s own existence, and individual laws. The federal government is there to provide the protection ( militarily ) and to ensure that the states do not form monopolies over one another. That Each State respects the god given rights and liberties of the individual. The Federal Government was designed to operate on a limited basis, thus allowing the states to function, make laws, and operate as independents.
so realistically an American, would be primarily celebrating the date his State was admitted into the union, along with Independence day secondary. There was a time, long when a person identified himself with the State that he came from.A proud Tennessean or a proud Texan or whatever… But the emphasis has changed. what I feel this board is trying to do is revive what has been lost by government over stepping it’s boundaries. to educate, and explain to people that the way things are are not what was intended, and that what most people have is a distorted view of the way our country is supposed to be run.
Now, if you are a liberal, you could argue that times have changed and we need to change with them. But, the fact of the matter is, our system of government is by far, superior to anything on the planet. proof is the hordes of immigrants that make up our country. The objective should be protecting our Constitution from the abuse of social mindedness, things like federal health care, federal road money, federal guidelines.. these intrusions tread on we as individuals.. as sovereigns if you will. the way it’s supposed to work is if you don’t like a particular states laws on health care, you move to a state that has laws you can live with.. maybe you don’t like New York’s crappy gun bans.. so you have a choice to move to say, Montana or Utah where everyone can own..My point is, the country was designed to give us the freedom to choose. like a buffet, you live in a state that best reflects your lifestyle.. maybe you are super liberal… so you would move to massachusetts.. maybe you are a religious type.. so you would move down to the bible belt area…(The only place that doesn’t get the luxury of sovereignty is DC.)
So you see, when you support a federal healthcare program, you are supporting the loss of choice.. the freedom to pick and choose.
Now granted, the Republicans are just as crappy at protecting our rights as the dems.. so, you wont find many here that support the GOP either. Most people here are conservative and that doesnt mean Republican!, they want their right to choose back!.. they want to be able to pick and choose, who, when and if they even want health care. They want the freedom to live their lives without being boxed in by the Federal government..People need to be able to choose a State that has laws that best fit their lifstyle..the More federal intervention, the less choice you have.( a perfect example of federal intervention is grocery shopping in Canada. here, you have 15 different kinds of peanut butter.. in Canada.. you have 1, maybe two. Food in canada is highly regulated, you have no selection whatsoever! because government is protecting the few who make the peanut butter.. so much for competition and consumer choice eh?)The reason why federal social programs don’t work is because Government on a federal level is by and large inept, this is why the Constitution limited the role they are supposed to be playing. The founding fathers wanted states to have all the power because it is easier to control and to maintain an individuals rights….our system is super easy to understand.. and it makes sense,.. it only get complicated when people start screwing with it and trying to make it into something it isnt, thats why we are so screwed up now.
So, let me ask you this, if you are in favor of federal health care are you also in favor of the federal government dictating to you who, when, how much and if you get treatment ?.. or would you rather have the choice to make those decisions on your own?.. and saying “it’s better then what we have now” isn’t an acceptable excuse to support it. if states are allowed pass their own laws concerning prescription drugs, Pass laws that don’t interfere with federal insurance guidelines.. you would find that there is a much better way of fixing the health care industry
Publius/Huldah: Rush, Heritage Foundation…those wakco hypocrite, religious motivated, liars are about are honest as the devil, if there were one.
I have no CHOICE but to be a “Leftist” or “Liberal” for two main reasons: who I am; gay, atheist and what values and morals I hold as s caring human being:
“…if by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.”
That makes me a bad person in the Religious Right/Conservative/Republican’s eyes.
As for your statement: “With all due respect to you as a fellow human who is made in the image of God, your comments reveal a profound ignorance.”
Why is it Christian Fundamentalists and Conservatives like your-self have to be such a-holes? All your comments mean nothing once you throw your; “You don’t know the truth..because you dont know my god”.
Please dont bother to respond, I was willing to “debate” or have a friendly chat UNTIL I re read your post more clearly and saw that god-crap.
The world would be a better place if all you fundamentalists offed yourselves….oh I say that with “All Due Respect”
Corey wrote:
The world would be a better place if all you fundamentalists offed yourselves….
Yes, that is your leftist … how did you put it before? … “values and morals I hold as a caring human being.”
Corey, be honest with yourself; you’re not interested in having a lively debate. And you’re a hypocrite to boot. The only person you’re fooling is yourself. And what the hell is the point in that?
LARRY Says: On July 2nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
LARRY:
“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice,(MEANING WE ARE A NATION OF LAWS) insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense(COMMON DEFENSE MEANING THE FEDS FORM A MILITARY THOUGH THE STATES CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE NATION ), promote the general welfare,( PROMOTING GENERAL WELFARE DOES NOT MEAN HEALTH CARE, THE WORD PROMOTE, AND PROVIDE DO NOT MEAN THE SAME ) and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
MY RESPONSE:
“We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice,(I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID) insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense( “ “ ), promote the general welfare,(GENERAL WELFARE IS JUST THIS, HOW CAN WE BE “WE THE PEOPLE” IF WE ARE NOT CONCERNED WITH THE “WHOLE”) and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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LARRY:
The way the country is supposed to operate is like this: we 50 States are individually sovereign
MY RESPONSE:
When was this, when the states didn’t threaten each other, when the states didn’t “sell out” to other countries, when the Feds didn’t, bully the states, or whenever anytime those things DIDN’T happen….those things ALWAYS happened.
Like you mentioned above: “Government operates by method of coercion, Example: Roads.. the feds( meaning we the people ) pay for certain road projects and the states operate under the federal guidelines, if they refuse to follow the feds rules the money gets cut off so technically, you are correct, there wont be a federal health care facility”
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LARRY:
My point is, the country was designed to give us the freedom to choose. like a buffet, you live in a state that best reflects your lifestyle.. maybe you are super liberal… so you would move to massachusetts.. maybe you are a religious type.. so you would move down to the bible belt area…(The only place that doesn’t get the luxury of sovereignty is DC.)
So you see, when you support a federal healthcare program, you are supporting the loss of choice.. the freedom to pick and choose.
MY RESPONSE:
Who can afford to pick up and move? Will the government relocate me? Pay for my housing while I look for a new job?
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LARRY:
But, the fact of the matter is, our system of government is by far, superior to anything on the planet. proof is the hordes of immigrants that make up our country.
MY REPSONSE:
Huh…odd, last I looked, the USA has a history of Imperialism and then turned on those who wouldn’t play their little games anymore, when they wanted their people to stop being raped of their natural resources (farming, oil, labor etc)
For Example, here are just a few, off the top of my head, of countries/people that were once “friends” with the US government, but when asked to back off, the USgov put them on their terrorist or axis of evil list: Cuba, Iran, Mexico, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, (however, the Bush folks are still friendly with the Saudis and the rest of the Bin Laden family)
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LARRY:
People need to be able to choose a State that has laws that best fit their lifstyle..
MY REPSONSE:
Okay, I want to live in a state with no “white” people, no heterosexuals, not ugly people and no Christians….which state will allow a Constitutional Convention where I can make that happen, and if I cant get a CC to do all that, I would like to take all “rights” away from those people mentioned above, AND no hunting, no fishing, no churches, free school, free health care, farming, no polluting factoring or animal waste dumping spots…etc..
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LARRY:
the More federal intervention, the less choice you have.( a perfect example of federal intervention is grocery shopping in Canada. here, you have 15 different kinds of peanut butter.. in Canada.. you have 1, maybe two.
MY RESPONSE:
I wonder why most of the civilized European companies that have Universal Health care and Education have faster internet connections? Oh yes, I know why, they have more options than we in the USA have, they are more regulated, like our FOUNDERS desired, where corporations didn’t run the world. In fact, from what I understand, the FOUNDERS made laws that allowed corporations only so much power, forcing them to dismantle after a certain amount of time, as to not get too powerful, or end up creating a two-caste situation; the corporate/royalty and the common folk/the buyers.
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LARRY SAYS:
So, let me ask you this, if you are in favor of federal health care are you also in favor of the federal government dictating to you who, when, how much and if you get treatment ?.. or would you rather have the choice to make those decisions on your own?..
So you see, when you support a federal healthcare program, you are supporting the loss of choice.. the freedom to pick and choose.
MY REPSONSE:
Federal Health care DOES NOT dictate anything, the only thing that is done is the docs get paid. As for loss of choice, have you never been denied care in the USA by a docs boss, (HMO etc) says he/she cant/won’t pay for test/procedure?
Watch SICKO, those aren’t actors.
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Terry I said it “with all due respect” like you did when you insulted me…but I understand, you have your god telling you you are right, and no matter what you do, you will always be right.
No one can talk, debate, converse, email, or chat with a bumbling fool that follows a mythical being that has caused more death and oppression than anyone could imagine.
So your loss.
Yes, as a Secular Humanist, I believe with my heart 100% that fundamentalists need to be off’d, just as much as all the christian fundies in the USA believe all Muslims should be off’d.
So please do not respond to me, I am below you and not worth the trouble…I am a…oh what is it your types call me…oh an abomination, worse than a terrorist, shouldn’t have the right to vote or live…huh…too bad religious folks to try and stop all the child molesters religion has protected over the years, you dont hear much about that in the news, the movement to expose all this from the Relgious Right, they are too busy trying to re write history and make everyone believe the USA is a christian nation…gee…what a way to make more people hate us…follow George Bush’s HOLY WAR, and get us all killed.
It was and is the Religious Right’s ideology that got us attacked on 9-11, keep that in mind…and yes, I believe you are my enemy, and enemy of the USA and should be tried for treason and taken away and taken care of like a Nazi sympathizer.
If by saying this gets me banned, so be it, just know what I have said:
It is people like you that caused 9-11;
It is people like you, woman get their genitals mutilated around the world;
It is people like you who demand that ALL tax payers pay for your religious institutions to teach lies and hatred;
it is people like you that is the reason more people will die of HIV in africa, and had died in the USA;
It is people like you who cause more single mothers to be created in the USA;
It is people like you who want to take those single mothers, and make them starve, never get a better education, and become just what you state you are against;
It is people like you, who with Reagan’s support, allow corporations to pay less in taxes than a person working at McDonalds all while destroying the environment and sending the money back to whatever country they
claim they are from because of some legal loop hole.
It is people like you that vote against woman getting paid the same as men while doing the same job.
It is people like you that make people like me fight for my rights to have you people disappear from the USA….or just move to Alaska, the Socialist State, or Texas where cops still beat-up gays, and Christians support the killing of innocent people.
Good bye
Proudly signed:
Corey Mondello
cpmondello (at) yahoo.com
http://www.CoreyMondello.com
7-3-09
Corey wrote:
Who can afford to pick up and move? Will the government relocate me? Pay for my housing while I look for a new job?
So your answer to the dilemma is that since you can’t afford to pick up and move, and the government presumably won’t support you while you look for a new job, then the federal government, for your sake (or the minority’s sake), ought to force on the majority of the people in your current state free health care and blah, blah, blah. All for your sake, Corey. Because that’s what you want, Corey. What is this, a joke?
I think you must have eye problems. Umm, I mean “I” problems.
Thomas Howard, Larry & Terry Morris:
WOW! You guys are great and you nailed it! Originally, “citizenship” was with the States – see, e.g., Art. III, §2, U.S. Constitution. It was the 14th Amendment, §1, which extended “citizenship” to “THE United States” (as a single sovereign entity) as opposed to what it was before the War of Southern Secession, “THESE United States” (a federation of sovereign states allied together for limited and defined purposes).
Corey: I’ll pray for you. Meanwhile, read Ayn Rand’s novel, The Fountainhead. Pay close attention to the character, Ellsworth Toohey. He is a hater who postures as an “humanitarian”. Rand demolishes the pretense of the “liberals” that they are caring, compassionate people. Rand shows that they are motivated by hatred. Review your own posts and perhaps you will see! PH
Yes, as a Secular Humanist, I believe with my heart 100% that fundamentalists need to be off’d, just as much as all the christian fundies in the USA believe all Muslims should be off’d.
Corey, if I said that I don’t think you and your kind ought to “offed,” would that make any difference in your opinion of me and my kind? No? Thought not.
It’s your life, man, wallow in it.
I think while we are discussing legal matters associated with individual rights, lawful government, state’s rights, and the U.S. Constitution, we are making progress. It appears to me that when we get distracted by political banter, homosexuality, etc. we make no progress.
The issues of importance in America today legal issues.
In my humble opinion.
So, my dear & highly esteemed Terry Morris (I am quite serious about applying these adjectives to you),
Do you want to re-think your statement that “liberals” are basically moral beings?
Truly, if I were trying this issue before a Jury, Corey would be my star witness! He proves my point. And he is not alone. Ellsworth Toohey shows that Corey is an actual Type. All that talk about being “caring” & “compassionate” is a sham designed to deceive us and themselves. PH
Hi, Highlander Juan – you of the most excellent judgment,
It is just that we are in the Fight of our Lives, the biggest fight we have faced for a very long time, and we need to understand our enemy. We have been deceiving ourselves for too long, comforting ourselves with the false belief that they have “good intentions”. They don’t. They HATE US. They HATE our Constitution. They HATE God. They steal elections and we tell ourselves that “we are confident” that the process is fair.
Principle No. 1 of Warfare is: Know your enemy.
Please make whatever use of my papers you like. And thank you again for the encouragement! PH
Publius, no I don’t.
What I pointed out above is simply this, liberals are moral beings because they are human beings created in the image and likeness of God. They cannot not, therefore, think in terms outside of a moral perspective. I don’t care how hard they try. It may be a goofed up moral perspective, which I acknowledged above, but it’s a moral perspective nonetheless. I also pointed out in the post that liberals tend to allow their passions to overrule their better judgment. I think we’ve seen a very good, albeit extreme, illustration of that in Corey’s posts. But our little friend Corey is not your average liberal. Corey is a radical leftist homosexual atheist. He’s in a whole ‘nother league. You’re not trying to suggest that Corey is on an equal plane with the average liberal heterosexual theist are you? You’d be laughed out of court if you did.
Thank you, Terry Morris!
NOW I understand what you were saying about liberals being “moral”. I should have known you wouldn’t be fooled by their claims of being “caring” & “compassionate”.
I have used different terminology: they are made in the image of God – the image is distorted & perverted, but they are still made in the image of God, no matter how much they rebel against it.
Yes, Corey’s HATRED does seem more virulent than that of other “Liberals”.
But all “Liberals” are willing to impose their views & their policies on us by Force. So, when it comes to the desire to have power over us, to force us to do what THEY think we should do, I see no difference in principle between the extreme haters like Corey, and the “soft” “cuddly” liberals like ………….? I can’t think of a soft, cuddly liberal!
This is a great web site! It is such a joy to communicate with intelligent people. Congratulations on your success, Michael Boldin! PH
PH,
I agree with your comments, but to me the libs, statists, progressives, socialists, communists, et al on the left are like rebellious children. They hate their parents (traditions, conservatives, God, etc) because they haven’t assumed the role of adults yet. They exist only because we, the adults and parents, allow them to exist and because we continue to take care of them.
You mentioned The Fountainhead in an earlier post, and I would point you to Atlas Shrugged and the withdrawal of support by John Galt. To me that is the right idea – force the children to grow up. I’m not gifted like Ayn Rand, and I can’t give you 62 pages of discussion on the topic, but I think you get the idea anyway.
The left exists as long as we adults keep saying ‘OK, I give you credit for having a legitimate position on the subject.’ We need to start saying ‘NO!’
The left has never had a legitimate position, and after all of the damage they have wreaked on our nation and on our culture, they need to be slammed. Hard! We have let our ship of state drift off course for far too long and need to get our nation back on course.
So, to the left I would say: ‘you’re either with us or we leave you behind, without benefits and without support, because it is time for you to grow up and assume your role in society.’
To the other huge distraction in our lives today, the Islamo-fascists and terrorists, I would say, ‘Leave us the hell alone or we will kill you.’
I am becoming increasingly convinced that to preserve our nation from our inner corruption, that we Americans who believe in God, our nation, our laws, our culture, and ourselves, need to do a lawful purge of every statist in our governments – both federal and state. The statists all act outside the law, and can therefore be considered outlaws.
Those that can’t act lawfully deserve to be put in jail and all of their assets used to repay the damage they have caused the United States of America.
Every single person who is an elected representative or hired employee needs to re-certify their oath of allegiance to the United States Constitution and be civilly or criminally prosecuted if they ever violate their oaths of allegiance to America again.
It is my perception that only our military and some law enforcement employees are consciously adhering to the functioning of the Constitution at this time. There are not enough Oath Keepers. We need more.
So, as you can see, I’m mentally ready for the Revolution.
God Bless America and those who preserve and protect Her!
Screw the rest!
PH,
You said:
“It is just that we are in the Fight of our Lives, the biggest fight we have faced for a very long time, and we need to understand our enemy.”
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I understand our enemy – just as George Patton understood his enemy.
Nuff said.
Corey you wrote:
MY REPSONSE:
Federal Health care DOES NOT dictate anything, the only thing that is done is the docs get paid. As for loss of choice, have you never been denied care in the USA by a docs boss, (HMO etc) says he/she cant/won’t pay for test/procedure?
Corey,
In the health care bill there is a provision to FINE citizens for refusing to purchase health care. The fine will be $1000.00 I just read it on the AP yesterday. your healthcare tax will be collected by the IRS much the same way your income tax is collected. they want to make it law, much like car insurance.
I will ignore you facetious replies to my previous post as you already have your mind made up and thus any more explaining or continuing to debate the issue is just wasting my time and yours.
Yes! I read Atlas Shrugged almost 50 years ago, and then re-read it last month. Ayn Rand has had a profound influence on me. I converted to Christianity from secular humanism just 15 years ago. [Maybe there is hope for Corey?!] When I re-read Atlas Shrugged, I was struck by the following: although she gives lip service to atheism, her world view – her conception of an Objective Reality and her view that Morality is built into the very Fabric of Reality, is the same as the Biblical Model. So I suspect she was a Theist and didn’t know it!
As Alexander Hamilton said, an unconstitutional law is not a “Law” – it is a mere usurpation, and deserves to be treated as such.
So, like Hamilton, I think the proper course of action for all of us is, just say, “NO, hell NO”! Why do we, as individuals, local governments, & States, think we have to comply with blatently unconstitutional “laws”? Hamilton & James Madison made it clear in The Federalist Papers that WE – NOT THE COURTS – are the ultimate enforcers of The Constitution. We do not have the right or the duty to surrender our independent judgments as to the meaning of The Constitution to the courts!
I did take an Oath to defend it from all enemies, domestic & foreign. I keep my Word.PH
PH,
Well said. As much as unconstitutional law is not law, so a usurper to the office of president really isn’t president, now, is he.
You should join the Oath Keepers. We need good people like you.
Juan
Larry,
Yes, Corey is a lost cause. Anyone that wants the very people “offed” that would be the primary suppliers of his self-centered demands, and without which the entire scheme would collapse at inception (Corey, why do you think social security is mandatory for all? Take your time.) is worse than a half-wit. But I wonder what the government is going to do when it tries to collect this unlawful, unconstitutional tax from me and I refuse to pay it? Will it put me in prison? It doesn’t seem like a very smart thing to do since I still have a business that produces jobs and income, and a family yet to raise. But who ever accused ‘govt. men’ of being very smart? Anyway, I guess we’ll all find out soon enough.
Here I am, a day late and a dollar short, but I feel the need to comment. Rob Natelson stated this at the end of his article,
“Whatever the motivations of those who seek to use the federal government against the rest of us, they too have launched an unbridled and unprincipled political war against their fellow citizens. From the perspective of history, in other words: They are the new King George.”
This gets to the heart of the matter, what has been and is being used against us is “democracy,” or mob rule. Once our Republic was wrestled away via Federal encroachment (or given away by “the people”) we became a democracy; this is our downfall and it only leads to worse forms of government.
Therefore, it is up to those of us who are “awake and informed” to wake up and inform others! It is an uphill battle, but you know the outcome, otherwise.
Oh yeah, an excellent article!